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                                                             <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">00:00 - 0:00:02<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">*Music*<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:00:02 \u2013 0:00:31<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">[Music]<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:00:31 \u2013 0:00:42<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Hello and welcome to a new edition of the digression, where I occasionally<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:00:42 \u2013 0:00:52<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Occasionally, in fact, whatever, does not deviate from the topic. Greetings go out, dear Frank. Yes,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:00:52 \u2013 0:01:05<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Today's topic is immunotherapy. The topic is currently with us, with me in the circle of acquaintances,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:01:05 \u2013 0:01:20<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Family is just a big topic and it's just about an autoimmune disease and you can<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:01:20 \u2013 0:01:27<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">with normal, with the classical forms try to treat this tome,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:01:27 \u2013 0:01:34<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">But you can also do immunotherapy and then just hope for better results.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:01:34 \u2013 0:01:45<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">So what is immunotherapy? It is a treatment that specifically targets the immune system.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:01:45 \u2013 0:01:57<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It affects, rather than fighting symptoms or the pathogen. There are certain substances,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:01:57 \u2013 0:02:09<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">proteins, the defense system controlled in such a way that you get control of the disease or<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:02:09 \u2013 0:02:21<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">even extremely containment. This can be imagined as a kind of software optimization in the body. In the case of:<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:02:21 \u2013 0:02:31<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">In autoimmune diseases, this works really well because the immune system is so<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:02:31 \u2013 0:02:39<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">is active and then attacks the body itself and the immune system becomes<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:02:39 \u2013 0:02:50<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">throttled. In cancer or other infectious diseases, the immune system<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:02:50 \u2013 0:03:00<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">strengthened, i.e. almost overactivated, in order to keep the weak immune system on its toes<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:03:00 \u2013 0:03:10<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">bring. Why do you do that? To slow down inflammation, for example in the case of psoriasis or stop<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:03:10 \u2013 0:03:23<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">in order to selectively block cells, i.e. division, or to cause \u2013 which is also very often \u2013 side effects,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:03:23 \u2013 0:03:34<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">which causes the normal treatment to stop, bypass or suppress. Because through<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:03:34 \u2013 0:03:43<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">various forms of amplification by other drugs, that the side effects<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:03:43 \u2013 0:03:49<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">The classic treatment then simply become so strong that it is no longer reasonable.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:03:49 \u2013 0:04:00<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">There are three functional mechanisms. There are different approaches, so that would be almost<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:04:00 \u2013 0:04:14<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Monoclonal antibodies, which are tailor-made protein molecules that block certain<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:04:14 \u2013 0:04:23<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Bodies of the immune system work by blocking the receptors on the antibodies. This<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:04:23 \u2013 0:04:25<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It's like a key-lock principle.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:04:25 \u2013 0:04:37<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And through contact with pathogens, the cells of the defense system quasi learn the structure<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:04:37 \u2013 0:04:43<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">know the pathogen and can then go so specifically before it.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:04:43 \u2013 0:04:52<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">By blocking them, these docking points, the immune system will stop for this one.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:04:52 \u2013 0:05:00<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">special pathogen type shut down. Then there are immunomodulators. These are<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:05:00 \u2013 0:05:05<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Medications that boost or lower the immune system in its activity.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:05:05 \u2013 0:05:10<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It's like a power plant where you have more fuel.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:05:10 \u2013 0:05:14<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">If you add more fuel, it will go up, and if you add less fuel, it will go up.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:05:14 \u2013 0:05:25<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Shut it down. So you can activate the immune system with certain substances and stop<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:05:25 \u2013 0:05:32<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Strengthen or weaken. And then there's the third group, that's vaccine-like.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:05:32 \u2013 0:05:43<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Therapeutics. They specifically stimulate an immune response against a specific cell structure. Yes, these are<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:05:43 \u2013 0:05:57<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">The three ways in which they work. Then there are combination preparations or combination terapias,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:05:57 \u2013 0:06:05<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">where two types are combined. But usually it's always one, two or three.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:06:05 \u2013 0:06:18<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Main diseases are often acne, psoriasis, rheumatic diseases,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:06:18 \u2013 0:06:26<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Where there are joint inflammations. Actually, these are a lot of inflammatory processes,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:06:26 \u2013 0:06:30<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">where you do this and this is also being researched all the time and you find again and again<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:06:30 \u2013 0:06:39<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">new things. In Acne Inversa, for example, antibody therapy is used to treat certain<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:06:39 \u2013 0:06:51<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Inflammatory messengers, for example, this, now it is blocked very professionally, TNF-alpha. This<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:06:51 \u2013 0:06:58<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">significantly reduces flare-ups and inflammation. Acne Inversa is a pretty nasty<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:06:58 \u2013 0:07:10<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">diseases affecting the armpits, with inflammation, abscesses to severe scarring,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:10 \u2013 0:07:16<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Not only outside, but also inside the tissue and in the groin under the armpits.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:16 \u2013 0:07:25<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Actually, any region can be affected, but where skin rubs against each other or strongly<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:25 \u2013 0:07:32<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">sweating and also strong<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:32 \u2013 0:07:33<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">The production of sebum can be increased.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:33 \u2013 0:07:38<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">occur.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:38 \u2013 0:07:42<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">The benefits of therapy are that it works.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:42 \u2013 0:07:45<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">very targeted, much better than classic<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:45 \u2013 0:07:50<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Medications such as cortisone or broad<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:50 \u2013 0:07:54<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">antibiotics, immunosuppressants.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:50 \u2013 0:07:59<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">There are far fewer side effects because only a small, specific part of the immune system<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:07:59 \u2013 0:08:00<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">is influenced.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:00 \u2013 0:08:12<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Disadvantages are, it is really very expensive, you can not take this at home because<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:12 \u2013 0:08:19<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">it is given either by infusion or by syringe and because the drug is so expensive,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:19 \u2013 0:08:24<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">You can't get it in the pharmacy, either.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:24 \u2013 0:08:27<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It is held in institutes, in<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:27 \u2013 0:08:32<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Ambulances, in the hospital or something<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:32 \u2013 0:08:37<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">and may be administered there. And now comes a<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:37 \u2013 0:08:40<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Things that are serious too.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:40 \u2013 0:08:43<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Depending on the type of<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:43 \u2013 0:08:48<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Treatment poses a risk to<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:43 \u2013 0:08:52<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Infection greatly increased. So I know people, that's at Acne Inversa, for example, they have to<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:52 \u2013 0:08:56<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Once again completely vaccinated, if the vaccination status is not exactly optimal.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:08:56 \u2013 0:09:06<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">That's really \u2026 So it can be expensive, because you need such special vaccinations,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:09:06 \u2013 0:09:12<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">In other words, the entire hepatitis group or something and you have to pay for it all yourself. And that beats<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:09:12 \u2013 0:09:18<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">That's a total of 200 euros. Then you have to do an HIV test.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:09:18 \u2013 0:09:23<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">You have to take a pregnancy test. The normal one is not enough,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:09:23 \u2013 0:09:28<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Which you can do at home. Then it must be done the pregnancy test on the blood.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:09:28 \u2013 0:09:42<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Unfortunately, there are many benefits that the health insurance company does not pay for. Yes, these are the disadvantages.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:09:42 \u2013 0:09:51<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And now we get to the point of why this is an issue for me. If you are as focused as<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:09:51 \u2013 0:09:59<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">such a small Swiss army knife intervenes in the body, it is not far to the<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:09:59 \u2013 0:10:08<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Gene therapy, where you even make changes to the genetic information. And<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:10:08 \u2013 0:10:15<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And then, at the latest, ethical and moral aspects occur.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:10:15 \u2013 0:10:26<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And yes, classical medicine is always designed to treat symptoms.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:10:26 \u2013 0:10:32<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">So I get there with a cough or a cold and then I get a hold<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:10:32 \u2013 0:10:37<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">some painkillers, go the headaches and leather pains, then I get another one<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:10:37 \u2013 0:10:47<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">cough reliever, maybe also a painkiller that works against fever, because I also have a little<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:10:47 \u2013 0:10:55<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I have a fever. And then I have 14 days of bed rest. The interesting thing is, with or without<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:10:55 \u2013 0:11:00<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I need pills for about the same amount of time, because the body just takes so long to take these pills.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:11:00 \u2013 0:11:07<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Infection so far to get through that one is after that again efficient. I can only once<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:11:07 \u2013 0:11:14<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I once had pneumonia and it took me four months to<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:11:14 \u2013 0:11:22<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It was powerful again. I've been in the hospital for three weeks, and then I've got forever.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:11:22 \u2013 0:11:30<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I had to wait until I was ready to go back to school and<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:11:30 \u2013 0:11:36<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Don't work, go to school. And I mean, that's where you sit on the popo most of the time<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:11:36 \u2013 0:11:52<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And don't do much. Of course, immunotherapy or gene therapy is complete.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:11:52 \u2013 0:12:03<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">other approaches. You almost treat the disease at the point of origin and you could even go as far as<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:03 \u2013 0:12:08<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Illnesses before they break out,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:08 \u2013 0:12:11<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">For example, in gene therapy,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:11 \u2013 0:12:17<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">by isolating and replacing the affected gene<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:17 \u2013 0:12:20<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">against a healthy gene,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:20 \u2013 0:12:24<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">so that the disease would not break out.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:24 \u2013 0:12:26<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">There is a medication,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:26 \u2013 0:12:28<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Now I don't know the name of it,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:28 \u2013 0:12:38<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">This is the case with spinal muscular atrophy.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:38 \u2013 0:12:46<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">This affects small children and if you do not inject the drug in time,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:46 \u2013 0:12:51<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">This gene therapy, then they also have no high life expectancy.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:51 \u2013 0:12:58<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">So this is a syringe and after that the child is so that it no longer gets sicker,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:12:58 \u2013 0:13:05<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">because nerve cells are broken down and well, they do not grow back and if there is a<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:05 \u2013 0:13:08<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">If there is damage, then the damage remains, but it does not get worse.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:08 \u2013 0:13:13<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And the sooner you discover it, the less damage there will be.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:13 \u2013 0:13:19<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">The only problem is, this syringe costs 1.5 million and the health insurance companies pay<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:19 \u2013 0:13:28<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I like 1.5 million. In the case of Acne Inversa and other autoimmune diseases, the<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:28 \u2013 0:13:41<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Therapy likes times so per syringe, per infusion between 4,000 and 8,000 euros. Some must be on<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:41 \u2013 0:13:48<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Be given at the beginning of each month and then later on in success you can try whether you can<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:48 \u2013 0:13:57<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Increased quarterly. So we're talking about<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:57 \u2013 0:13:59<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Really expensive costs. If you have these<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:13:59 \u2013 0:14:03<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Doing therapy, still coming<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:03 \u2013 0:14:07<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">any laboratory tests, so<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:07 \u2013 0:14:11<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">We like to cover costs in the quarter of<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:11 \u2013 0:14:15<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">20,000 euros to speak. This is<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:15 \u2013 0:14:18<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">A lot of money for a man.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:15 \u2013 0:14:25<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And whether this is justified in relation to others and then we come back to the question, when is suffering suffering?<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:25 \u2013 0:14:28<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I can say I'm affected by psoriasis.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:28 \u2013 0:14:32<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">That wasn't so bad now, but that's annoying.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:32 \u2013 0:14:43<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">The only thing that matters is that when I bloom, I simply leave a mountain of skin.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:14:43 \u2013 0:15:00<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">That's annoying, that's really annoying. When I change my sheets, what I do weekly and then take down the sheet,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:00 \u2013 0:15:10<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I still have a mattress protector under the bed sheet and this mattress protector is full of skin powder from me.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:10 \u2013 0:15:18<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">That's not horny now, but that's really a lot of skin, which is there.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:18 \u2013 0:15:23<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">So that's when you sweep that together, it's a small pile.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:23 \u2013 0:15:28<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And what can I say about that? I can't help it.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:28 \u2013 0:15:33<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I'm 40 years old, so I'm not 40, 39 years old.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:33 \u2013 0:15:37<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I gave this to my body for my birthday.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:37 \u2013 0:15:47<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">That's when it started and I've been living with it ever since and that's okay.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:47 \u2013 0:15:53<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">As long as this is not who knows how it is in the face, but only the knees,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:15:53 \u2013 0:16:02<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">If my elbows are affected, that's all right for me.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:16:02 \u2013 0:16:11<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">But if I had this on my face or if other skin orders were so badly affected that the skin tears open, then I would look too.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:16:11 \u2013 0:16:15<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I mean, then there's this MTX therapy.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:16:15 \u2013 0:16:23<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">This is also expensive and it really needs to be checked very closely, with blood values and so on.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:16:23 \u2013 0:16:27<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And yes, I'll see if that's possible.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:16:27 \u2013 0:16:49<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I mean, people who know me and know what my biography is like, I had 2018, no, 2016 was that, excuse me, 2006 I had a severe stroke and, since then, I also have to take a lot of medication.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:16:49 \u2013 0:16:57<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And I don't know if the MTX is compatible with it, because my entire medication would have to be changed.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:16:57 \u2013 0:17:03<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And if I know one thing, then I don't feel like having another stroke,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:17:03 \u2013 0:17:14<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">because to learn food, to learn speech, to relearn everything, to relearn fine motor skills,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:17:14 \u2013 0:17:20<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">because I was completely paralyzed on the half side, I couldn't swallow,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:17:20 \u2013 0:17:25<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Toilets and everything had to be re-learned<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:17:25 \u2013 0:17:31<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">and still have trouble today when I go upstairs,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:17:31 \u2013 0:17:35<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Then I'm really scared.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:17:35 \u2013 0:17:44<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And then I don't know if I'd rather live with the problem of psoriasis,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:17:44 \u2013 0:17:51<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It's like being afraid to be as helpless as I was then.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:17:51 \u2013 0:18:01<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It is an interesting experience anyway if you are an external media caregiver and<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:01 \u2013 0:18:07<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Then we need care.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:07 \u2013 0:18:14<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">That's why I can understand anyone who goes there and does immunotherapy like that.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:14 \u2013 0:18:22<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">As I said, this is not an issue for me, but stay with me in families, in the familiar environment.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:22 \u2013 0:18:31<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And then those are the considerations. How does it work? What are side effects? Can I do this with medication?<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:31 \u2013 0:18:39<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And when I look at the track record that the person has, that's really respect.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:39 \u2013 0:18:45<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">So this person now has almost four weeks to make several appointments.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:45 \u2013 0:18:50<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Thoracic X-rays of the thoracic cage must also be taken,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:50 \u2013 0:18:57<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">to rule out whether there is tuberculosis or another lung infection.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:18:57 \u2013 0:19:04<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Yes, so there's really a lot going on and the person already had the first round<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:19:04 \u2013 0:19:10<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Vaccine refreshers and then also slight vaccination reaction. I'm not just talking about it now,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:19:10 \u2013 0:19:21<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">that the puncture site is a bit red, but neatly flash Peter and says,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:19:21 \u2013 0:19:27<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">That's awkward. I mean, that's the question and the way it is now.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:19:27 \u2013 0:19:36<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">In the case of a vaccination, the immune system is trained. Whether I'm there now dead material syringe,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:19:36 \u2013 0:19:48<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">so killed viruses, or whether I have genetic material with a virus, so where the genetic<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:19:48 \u2013 0:19:55<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">material against which one now wants to vaccinate, the virus, is packaged in another virus, which is a light<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:19:55 \u2013 0:20:03<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Reaction of the immune system causes the immune system to stop being trained<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:03 \u2013 0:20:06<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">the desired pathogen.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:06 \u2013 0:20:08<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It's also totally crazy that this is the case.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:08 \u2013 0:20:11<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Yeah, but most of the time it's kind of like that.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:11 \u2013 0:20:14<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">gastrointestinal infections,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:14 \u2013 0:20:18<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Slight colds, so light renoviruses and so on.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:18 \u2013 0:20:24<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And if you are unlucky, then you can get really sick.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:24 \u2013 0:20:29<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I remember my mother had now stopped vaccinating against the viral pneumonia<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:29 \u2013 0:20:33<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">She had just been in bed for three weeks.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:33 \u2013 0:20:36<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">She was also told that this could happen.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:36 \u2013 0:20:37<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">So it happens relatively often.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:37 \u2013 0:20:40<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And if you're unlucky, you're really sick.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:40 \u2013 0:20:42<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">And she was really sick.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:42 \u2013 0:20:54<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Quite unlike my corona vaccine I had, I had a few days with my arm a little bit hurt around the puncture site and then was good.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:54 \u2013 0:20:58<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Yeah, so much for that.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:20:58 \u2013 0:21:05<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">You always have to consider where you have the benefit factor.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:21:05 \u2013 0:21:17<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">As I said, if at some point there is therapy and that would actually bother me so much with psoriasis, then maybe I would think about it.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:21:17 \u2013 0:21:24<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">But as I said, the aspect with the stroke, that was enough for me.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:21:24 \u2013 0:21:34<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Then to the person with the Akneinversa. So if you go to the surgeon in a weekly rhythm or stop at the<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:21:34 \u2013 0:21:39<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">weekend then can go to the hospital to cut any abscesses,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:21:39 \u2013 0:21:47<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">because you have such pain that you can no longer walk or even the T-shirt<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:21:47 \u2013 0:21:55<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">If you can feel it on your skin, then I can understand that you are looking for every straw that helps.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:21:55 \u2013 0:22:01<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">If all this works and I really keep my fingers crossed that it works,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:22:01 \u2013 0:22:12<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Then it will be a new life. And this is also the case with the syringe for the children with the<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:22:12 \u2013 0:22:21<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Spinal muscular atrophy. It's a damn expensive syringe. I mean, 1.5 million is<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:22:21 \u2013 0:22:31<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Damn a lot of money. But this will only save a human life, which otherwise only stops<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:22:31 \u2013 0:22:39<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">It would go for a few years. Not everyone is lucky to be able to spend 10 years<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:22:39 \u2013 0:22:46<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Most of them died relatively early. And when that aspect comes along,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:22:46 \u2013 0:22:55<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">that life has so many great things to offer and you learn something new every day and actually<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:22:55 \u2013 0:23:03<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">you're already terminally ill because you can move less and less and it must be just as bad<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:23:03 \u2013 0:23:11<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">like ALS, where he sits in your body at some point and where the body then at some point<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:23:11 \u2013 0:23:21<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">You can't breathe anymore because the nervous system has forgotten how to breathe. So I can<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:23:21 \u2013 0:23:26<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Understand, if you go and then say, \"Yes, well, then I'm fighting to make my child<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:23:26 \u2013 0:23:32<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Get that injection. Or if you can afford to pay for it yourself,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:23:32 \u2013 0:23:39<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Or find someone who pays for it. It's a lot of money and normal.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:23:39 \u2013 0:23:48<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Immunotherapy is a lot of money. And when I think about what kind of aids I have,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:23:48 \u2013 0:23:57<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">which are in the 200-300 Euro range, I already have to fight with my health insurance,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:23:57 \u2013 0:24:04<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Because something gets rejected all the time, I don't want to know what kind of fight you have.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:24:04 \u2013 0:24:17<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Because of such a therapy, where it's about a little more money. In this sense, thank you<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:24:17 \u2013 0:24:23<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">I'm glad you listened and I look forward to seeing you next time.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:24:23 \u2013 0:24:32<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Deviation, where I'm guaranteed to deviate far too little from the actual topic,<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:24:32 \u2013 0:24:40<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">What is the name of the diversion? And leave your greetings there. Your Sasha.<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:24:40 \u2013 0:24:41<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">Farewell to you!<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:24:41 \u2013 0:24:43<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">[Music]<\/div>\n            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                                <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:28:16 \u2013 0:28:19<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">[Music]<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:28:19 \u2013 0:28:25<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">[Music]<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td 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               <span class=\"ts-time\">0:28:37 \u2013 0:28:43<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">[Music]<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                                                                                            <tr>\n                                    <td colspan=\"2\">\n                                        <span class=\"ts-time\">0:28:43 \u2013 0:29:01<\/span>\n                                        <div class=\"ts-content\">[Music]<\/div>\n                                    <\/td>\n                                <\/tr>\n                                                                                        <\/tbody>\n            <\/table>\n        <\/div>\n\n        <script type=\"text\/javascript\">\n            function toggleTranscript() {\n                const container = document.getElementById(\"transcript-container\");\n                const button = document.getElementById(\"toggle-transcript\");\n                if (container.style.display === \"none\") {\n                    container.style.display = \"block\";\n                    button.textContent = \"Transkript ausblenden\";\n                } else {\n                    container.style.display = \"none\";\n                    button.textContent = \"F\u00fcr das Transkript hier klicken\";\n                }\n            }\n        <\/script>\n    \n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode, the <strong>divergence<\/strong> I dive into the subject <strong>Immunotherapies<\/strong> a \u2013 a field of modern medicine that has made enormous progress in recent years and can be a glimmer of hope for many people affected by autoimmune diseases. But what exactly is behind the term <em>immunotherapy<\/em>? How does it work? And why is it becoming more common in diseases such as <strong>Acne inversa<\/strong>, <strong>psoriasis<\/strong> or <strong>Rheumatic diseases<\/strong> used?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I will explain to you the three main mechanisms of action of these therapies: <strong>Monoclonal antibodies<\/strong>, which specifically block certain receptors in the immune system, via <strong>Immunomodulators<\/strong>, which regulate the immune system in its activity, up to vaccine-like procedures, which are intended to trigger a specific immune response. I show how different these approaches work and for which diseases they are used.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In addition to the medical background, I also share personal experiences and observations from my environment. Especially with serious illnesses such as <strong>Acne inversa<\/strong>, It quickly becomes clear why targeted immunotherapy is often the only way out when classic drugs fail or are no longer tolerated.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But this is not the end of the topic: I'm also talking about the downsides of these treatments. <strong>High costs<\/strong>, <strong>Extensive preliminary examinations<\/strong>, <strong>Strict medical requirements<\/strong> and this <strong>Increased risk of infection<\/strong> These are factors that should not be underestimated. I also take a look at the ethical and moral questions that inevitably arise: <strong>How much influence can we have on our bodies?<\/strong> Is it okay if health insurance companies have to pay several thousand euros for a single treatment? And who decides which life is worth this effort?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This episode is not a medical talk, but a personal and critical look at a topic that affects many of us at some point \u2013 whether it is due to our own illness or in the circle of family and friends.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I invite you to think, to discuss and to take a different perspective. In the end, the question remains: <strong>When is suffering \"bad enough\"? And who determines that?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-dominant-color=\"745831\" data-has-transparency=\"false\" style=\"--dominant-color: #745831;\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"1244\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" src=\"https:\/\/lautfunk.uber.space\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Immuntherapie2-700x1244.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-8927 not-transparent\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lautfunk.uber.space\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Immuntherapie2-700x1244.jpg 700w, https:\/\/lautfunk.uber.space\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Immuntherapie2-169x300.jpg 169w, https:\/\/lautfunk.uber.space\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Immuntherapie2-768x1365.jpg 768w, https:\/\/lautfunk.uber.space\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Immuntherapie2.jpg 864w\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">\ud83e\udded Topic overview<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1. Welcome and Introduction<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2013 Personal reference to the subject<br>\u2013 Why immunotherapy is particularly relevant<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2. What is immunotherapy?<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2013 Basic principle: Influencing the immune system instead of treating symptoms<br>\u2013 Differences from traditional medication<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3. Three mechanisms of action at a glance<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2013 Monoclonal antibodies<br>\u2013 Immunomodulators<br>\u2013 Vaccine-like therapies<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">4. Areas of application<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2013 Acne inversa<br>\u2013 Psoriasis<br>\u2013 Rheumatic diseases<br>\u2013 Cancer and infections<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">5. Advantages and disadvantages<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2013 Less side effects, targeted effect<br>\u2013 High costs, many preliminary investigations<br>\u2013 Risk of infection, compulsory vaccination, exclusion criteria<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">6. Personal Experiences and Ethical Issues<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2013 What is suffering?<br>\u2013 What is a human life worth?<br>\u2013 Next stage of gene therapy<br>\u2013 Stroke experience and risk assessment<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">7. Everyday life with chronic illness<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2013 Living with psoriasis<br>\u2013 Example of acne inversa: Pain, surgery, restrictions<br>\u2013 The long road to immunotherapy<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">8. 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