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00:00 - 0:00:22 The rehearsal podcast. At the cozy talk in the rehearsal room. With our moderators Mr. Raumwelle,
0:00:22 – 0:00:26 Tobi and Mr. Emergency Strom.
0:00:26 – 0:00:29 Have fun.
0:00:29 – 0:00:49 Good day, guys, moin or hello or good evening.
0:00:49 – 0:00:53 It's 20.26, I don't have a buck anymore.
0:00:53 – 0:00:57 20.26, your watch is on. It's 20.54.
0:00:57 – 0:01:01 Why don't you have a goat, Tobi?
0:01:01 – 0:01:05 It's all shit.
0:01:05 – 0:01:09 Because your expensively purchased plugins are worth it, or what?
0:01:09 – 0:01:12 Because there will be no more support soon, maybe.
0:01:12 – 0:01:14 Do you just want to fall into the house with the door?
0:01:14 – 0:01:15 No.
0:01:15 – 0:01:20 No, I didn't say I wanted to give you the first gossip.
0:01:20 – 0:01:25 I was really looking forward to what we had planned, but things just happened again.
0:01:25 – 0:01:27 Well, you know, right?
0:01:27 – 0:01:31 Things have been happening a lot lately, you know?
0:01:31 – 0:01:36 Every shitty train I take, a tram I take, gets diverted because somehow there's a demo calling for someone's death again.
0:01:36 – 0:01:44 Well, be glad you didn't have a power outage, you had to sit in the cold for five days, like some people.
0:01:44 – 0:01:52 Well, I would have the conspiracy theory that one might be related to the other that we're going to talk about now.
0:01:52 – 0:01:58 That's a bonus. Oh, yeah. I would ask you not to politicize ….
0:01:58 – 0:02:02 Yeah, forget it. I felt we were going to be political today, didn't I?
0:02:02 – 0:02:09 This is not political. So if there was a power outage that lasted a few days,
0:02:09 – 0:02:17 we now learn that a large German company has filed for insolvency,
0:02:17 – 0:02:22 to consolidate and pay off the creditors first and then watch,
0:02:22 – 0:02:27 What kind of business you can sell, and then maybe save the rest, which is then also left, somehow.
0:02:27 – 0:02:32 And that kind of a week, two weeks after the power outage.
0:02:32 – 0:02:43 Then you ask yourself, which servers were broken and what happened at Native Instruments in Berlin?
0:02:43 – 0:02:52 I rarely had such good timing. So Arturia, who release a day after us, Peanuts is against it.
0:02:52 – 0:03:04 The video was perfect timing. Two hours before we wanted to start recording the podcast, the news ticker message came that Native Instruments has registered Insolvence.
0:03:04 – 0:03:13 Well, first the original theme jumps off us and we get the actual theme in the same hour.
0:03:13 – 0:03:17 Do you know what the most embarrassing thing is? I didn't notice that at all.
0:03:17 – 0:03:23 Yes, now you know what's going on, Native Instruments has filed for bankruptcy, again.
0:03:23 – 0:03:31 I was wondering why we were discussing this, is this a bonus now, is this now, is this that?
0:03:31 – 0:03:43 So I look here in the business register, companiesregister.de, everyone can look, can search for Native Instruments and then you will find an entry that I can't do anything with,
0:03:43 – 0:03:44 I can read aloud.
0:03:44 – 0:03:46 Native Instruments GmbH Berlin.
0:03:46 – 0:03:47 Shareholders' resolution.
0:03:47 – 0:03:52 At today's in Berlin without any formal and deadline requirements for purchase
0:03:52 – 0:03:57 The Annual General Meeting of Native Instruments GmbH is the 100th%ige
0:03:57 – 0:04:02 Partner Native Instruments Holding GmbH present.
0:04:02 – 0:04:09 It is decided in accordance with paragraph 264 paragraph 3 bla bla bla HGB the consent is given
0:04:09 – 0:04:18 on 31.12.2025, at the end of the financial year, it shall be exempted from all of the provisions of Section 264(3)
0:04:18 – 0:04:27 to make use of the provisions referred to in the German Commercial Code. This decision must be disclosed in accordance with Section 325 of the German Commercial Code (HGB).
0:04:27 – 0:04:30 What does that mean?
0:04:30 – 0:04:36 That those of the usual rules that are otherwise inferior to such a company,
0:04:36 – 0:04:41 In the form of a business, they are first released. They don't have to report any more,
0:04:41 – 0:04:46 As far as certain things are concerned. Native Instruments Holding GmbH and the
0:04:46 – 0:04:52 Native Instruments Langenfeld GmbH and Native Instruments Group GmbH
0:04:52 – 0:04:57 profit and loss transfer agreements with a loss assumption obligation;
0:04:57 – 0:05:04 Closed in accordance with Section 302 of the German Stock Corporation Act (Aktiengesetz), Act G.
0:05:04 – 0:05:08 Native Instruments GmbH has entered into a further profit and loss transfer agreement with the
0:05:08 – 0:05:10 Native Instruments Holding GmbH.
0:05:10 – 0:05:14 This is a Jurassic speech.
0:05:14 – 0:05:21 As a result, Native Instruments Group GmbH declares itself as a parent company in accordance with § 264
0:05:21 – 0:05:35 Paragraph 3, for the obligations entered into by Native Instruments Holding GmbH, Native Instruments Langenfeld GmbH and Native Instruments GmbH up to the reporting date in the following financial year.
0:05:35 – 0:05:41 Berlin, 20.11.2025, Native Instruments GmbH signed, Bernhard Schütze, Managing Director.
0:05:41 – 0:05:49 Hey, Native Instruments, what's up? What's going on in your store? Can you tell us? Charge us up.
0:05:49 – 0:05:57 So when we look at the news reports, the whole thing came up as a story first, who's the guy?
0:05:57 – 0:05:59 CDM, Peter Kern.
0:05:59 – 0:06:01 Ah, okay.
0:06:01 – 0:06:04 The story was posted first.
0:06:04 – 0:06:12 Then Gear News jumped on the bandwagon, they also somehow have an article or a press release, I don't know.
0:06:14 – 0:06:22 But it looks very similar to what Peter Curran has published.
0:06:22 – 0:06:25 I don't know if they just translated it into German.
0:06:25 – 0:06:33 And at Synthentanomy, where Tom, you will also find a corresponding article.
0:06:33 – 0:06:42 I just found five Reddit threads in a row, all of them ….
0:06:42 – 0:06:48 People talk about it. Yes, and all of them have about 100 to 200 comments. In the sequencer preview
0:06:48 – 0:06:54 If they are already on page 4 or so or page 5, I don't know. So it's a lot
0:06:54 – 0:06:59 for a Tuesday night. So we have, usually we have bestial timing, say a day to
0:06:59 – 0:07:04 early. Today we are really perfect and I also have the impression that it is just a little bit bigger,
0:07:04 – 0:07:13 than was initially hoped for. So here you are already talking about tracking things and just making the downloads.
0:07:13 – 0:07:22 What you have to say is that Native Instruments is apparently, as we just learned from the business register,
0:07:22 – 0:07:29 that the company, now I haven't looked at business registers yet, you could maybe look at that again right away,
0:07:29 – 0:07:38 Native Instruments is not just a company, it is a whole conglomerate of different companies, as we have learned.
0:07:38 – 0:07:46 And Isotopes, Plugin Alliance and Brainworks are also part of Native Instruments.
0:07:46 – 0:07:50 Now, of course, we're all wondering what happens to all these plugins?
0:07:50 – 0:07:56 Because that's a lot of what they have at the start.
0:07:56 – 0:08:05 And what do you have to say about it when a company goes bankrupt, doesn't that mean that it is immediately bankrupt and ceases its business?
0:08:05 – 0:08:16 No, no, no, no, no. Roli is constantly broke. And they bring out a new product every year. This has delivery difficulties until next year, but the company still exists.
0:08:16 – 0:08:22 Above all, no, the problem is, we're really talking about a mentally disturbed Klopper.
0:08:22 – 0:08:27 So not only because this is now a conglomerate, but because it is simply the industry leader.
0:08:27 – 0:08:37 If contact goes down, then, let's say, 20 years of music production stories are really over.
0:08:37 – 0:08:39 And no one will catch it.
0:08:39 – 0:08:45 Not the signplayer, not VSL, not some other story.
0:08:45 – 0:08:52 So that's gotta be, so I'll tell you, if it's really going to be a problem now,
0:08:52 – 0:08:54 then we need a contact separation.
0:08:54 – 0:09:00 Then we need someone to buy this thing up and just, yeah.
0:09:00 – 0:09:02 Let me feed it a little.
0:09:02 – 0:09:05 I'm in the process of doing some research at the same time.
0:09:05 – 0:09:16 So what is the same in all articles is that the insolvency administrator who was appointed,
0:09:16 – 0:09:17 is Professor Dr.
0:09:17 – 0:09:19 Torsten Martini.
0:09:19 – 0:09:26 And under German insolvency law, one may also have to say again for the
0:09:26 – 0:09:34 Listeners from abroad, from German-speaking countries, as insolvency under German law
0:09:34 – 0:09:39 is a situation in which a participant in legal and commercial transactions is no longer
0:09:39 – 0:09:44 is able to meet its financial obligations in a timely and complete manner.
0:09:44 – 0:09:49 In order to avoid a race of creditors against the remaining assets of the debtor,
0:09:49 – 0:09:54 Insolvency law provides a procedural framework for the Community enforcement of
0:09:54 – 0:09:57 claims against the debtor are available.
0:09:57 – 0:10:01 If the debtor is a natural person, the debtor shall be given the opportunity to:
0:10:01 – 0:10:05 Debt relief and thus an economic restart.
0:10:05 – 0:10:11 The purpose of the insolvency proceedings is to determine the remaining assets of the insolvent
0:10:11 – 0:10:15 Distribute people equally to creditors.
0:10:15 – 0:10:20 By the way, Native Instruments employees are also creditors,
0:10:20 – 0:10:23 Because they should get salaries.
0:10:23 – 0:10:25 This is a demand on the company.
0:10:25 – 0:10:29 This is why they are usually the first to be paid out.
0:10:29 – 0:10:31 They are served by the masses.
0:10:31 – 0:10:36 This is to prevent some creditors from reimbursing their full claim amount.
0:10:36 – 0:10:38 and other creditors go out empty-handed.
0:10:38 – 0:10:44 That with the insolvency law and so on, that the employees act as creditors
0:10:44 – 0:10:48 They must, of course, ensure that they claim their rights.
0:10:48 – 0:10:51 A lot of people don't know that.
0:10:51 – 0:10:56 If such a company goes bankrupt and you should still get a salary, you can as a creditor
0:10:56 – 0:11:04 It is best to join them all together and then together to become the appointed insolvency administrator.
0:11:04 – 0:11:05 Let's go.
0:11:05 – 0:11:09 Since we've been talking fancy business talk all along, I just saw in the forum
0:11:09 – 0:11:16 "According to Synth Anatomy", which broke a huge deal last year.
0:11:16 – 0:11:25 Yes, that's exactly where I wanted to come right away and wanted to do a bit more at Synth Anatomy
0:11:25 – 0:11:31 I'm happy, but I wanted the listeners to understand a little bit that the whole thing here has a regular procedure.
0:11:31 – 0:11:38 German insolvency law is very precisely regulated how such a company must be wound up.
0:11:38 – 0:11:43 What is not regulated in Germany? Except for things we can't talk about here?
0:11:43 – 0:11:50 Be careful, the background is that if there is such a message, "Oh, they have filed for insolvency, very bad",
0:11:50 – 0:11:56 Then this does not mean that from now on all servers will be switched off and nothing will work anymore. No.
0:11:56 – 0:11:58 No, no, no, no. It's still an unanswered question.
0:11:58 – 0:12:09 But we are just looking at how we can meet the demands.
0:12:09 – 0:12:14 You may be able to sell parts of the company and, as you say, develop a strategy.
0:12:14 – 0:12:26 I say, the core of the company, that certainly includes the whole contact history and everything else, the hardware division and whatever,
0:12:26 – 0:12:30 This insolvency administrator will now look at everything.
0:12:30 – 0:12:34 One could say, for example, so here,
0:12:34 – 0:12:39 Brainworks and plug-in alliance and isotopes will be sold again.
0:12:39 – 0:12:43 Then you get a little bit of cash in.
0:12:43 – 0:12:50 I'm sure there are plenty of people out there. Take the music group, for example.
0:12:50 – 0:12:52 They buy everything too.
0:12:52 – 0:12:58 Yeah, that's why. So, or Apple.
0:12:58 – 0:13:04 In any case, they have a large enough war chest.
0:13:04 – 0:13:08 Yes, so Apple would be, I think Apple would be a disaster.
0:13:08 – 0:13:11 Yeah, we don't need to talk, that's for sure.
0:13:11 – 0:13:13 But what I'm saying is …
0:13:13 – 0:13:16 In music or music group wouldn't be much better either.
0:13:16 – 0:13:19 That doesn't have to be the end of Native Instruments.
0:13:19 – 0:13:29 No, the problem is probably, it's the end of every hope you had at the Absinthe release that it's going up now.
0:13:29 – 0:13:30 That's true.
0:13:30 – 0:13:53 This does not necessarily have to be the case. I also thought at Waldorf, so shit, Waldorf is insolvent, that was it now with Waldorf. No, somehow they managed to save the company. It took a long time, but somehow they managed to keep Waldorf alive.
0:13:53 – 0:14:01 to receive. I don't know if Waldorf has the same problem that Waldorf has half the time.
0:14:01 – 0:14:07 Scene in the neck breathed when the bankruptcy was. That's the point. We talk first
0:14:07 – 0:14:15 Not over a hardware booth, okay, with hardware. But they have software, that's their core business.
0:14:15 – 0:14:21 They need to stay up to date server-wise. And then Waldorf is just a...
0:14:21 – 0:14:29 You need a reputation team to keep the servers running so people can continue to license their poop.
0:14:29 – 0:14:35 Yeah, yeah, I know. Pakistani data center. The two people with the fire extinguisher.
0:14:35 – 0:14:42 Pakistan data center? I'd know. This will probably be from Frankfurt.
0:14:42 – 0:14:48 I don't know, there's just another shredder next to it.
0:14:48 – 0:14:50 Otherwise, there is not much.
0:14:50 – 0:14:55 If you want to understand the joke, listen to our episode 71, I think.
0:14:55 – 0:15:00 I think we talked a lot about infrastructure.
0:15:00 – 0:15:02 No, but the point is, Waldorf's a 15-man clatter,
0:15:02 – 0:15:06 She gets up with the Stromberg and then goes into hiding for a few years.
0:15:06 – 0:15:14 And Native Instruments has, let's say, a burning petrol canister on every corner anyway.
0:15:14 – 0:15:18 They don't know where to delete. And now it's a fireball.
0:15:18 – 0:15:23 So, I'd say the situation looks a bit different.
0:15:23 – 0:15:29 And I'm not saying that because I was thinking the other day, how is it going with the platform?
0:15:29 – 0:15:33 Because right now I have the privilege of getting down various Native Instruments records,
0:15:33 – 0:15:35 Because I just didn't have a place on the hard drive anymore.
0:15:35 – 0:15:42 And yes, I think I'm going to go through some rough stuff afterwards...
0:15:42 – 0:15:44 No, no, no, I'm not even going to be rude,
0:15:44 – 0:15:45 Because it's going to be anyway...
0:15:45 – 0:15:48 I think it will continue until further notice,
0:15:48 – 0:15:50 The question is where to go.
0:15:50 – 0:15:55 So for all those who are interested, go to company register.de,
0:15:55 – 0:15:57 Look for native instruments.
0:15:57 – 0:15:59 Link is in the description.
0:15:59 – 0:16:14 Link is in the description, there you will find in Firmensregister.de, there you will find all Native Instruments companies and partly you will find there also the year-end reports.
0:16:14 – 0:16:26 Now I haven't found the one from 2025, as I said, but you can look at the one from 2024 and there you can also see how much debt the company has actually made and so on, what sales are there and so on.
0:16:26 – 0:16:32 You can take a look at all this in detail before any people come up with the idea,
0:16:32 – 0:16:35 Putting some rumors into the world. Be mindful of the facts.
0:16:35 – 0:16:38 Company Register.de, you can look at all this.
0:16:38 – 0:16:42 Let's make a fun ranking of which companies it's less a pity to
0:16:42 – 0:16:45 If it goes bust from the whole conglomerate?
0:16:45 – 0:16:50 I think Native, of course, is already a bit of a problem as an umbrella brand.
0:16:50 – 0:16:52 IZOTOPE, I think, would be the next one.
0:16:52 – 0:16:56 Brainworks is way behind.
0:16:56 – 0:16:58 Who else do they have in them?
0:16:58 – 0:17:00 Clark & Alliance.
0:17:00 – 0:17:03 Oh, boah, shit.
0:17:03 – 0:17:05 Of course, this is also a Klopper.
0:17:05 – 0:17:07 That's a real knocker.
0:17:07 – 0:17:14 I think these three things aren't even as profitable.
0:17:14 – 0:17:16 I think the fondr duties...
0:17:16 – 0:17:21 I also believe that this has kept the company alive for the last few years.
0:17:21 – 0:17:27 Yes, and if you just mess it up, then you can just focus on your core competencies.
0:17:27 – 0:17:40 And maybe we actually see a reactor or another evolutionary development of absinthe or contact version.
0:17:40 – 0:17:46 You brought Brian back to forget the name for the absinthe.
0:17:46 – 0:17:50 I also think people are half-satisfied.
0:17:50 – 0:17:55 Now, if you're in addition to the one guy who keeps the reactor alive,
0:17:55 – 0:18:01 even get a second dude in between or maybe even ring through Stefan or something,
0:18:01 – 0:18:06 then I can imagine that you are there, I say so,
0:18:06 – 0:18:11 It may not be too old, but it can make something out of the legacy.
0:18:11 – 0:18:20 So Native Instruments has according to various websites, Trade Digital Music,
0:18:20 – 0:18:23 CDM or synthetonomy,
0:18:23 – 0:18:28 Apparently Native Instruments tried last year.
0:18:28 – 0:18:34 Get private equity firms on board for financing to save the company.
0:18:34 – 0:18:46 Bain Capital Private Equity and Bridgepoint Group. And Bain Capital are the ones that own Guitar Center.
0:18:46 – 0:18:55 This big guitar center, this big music dealer chain in the USA.
0:18:55 – 0:18:56 The last one felt.
0:18:56 – 0:19:01 And now we don't know whether this deal actually took place or not.
0:19:01 – 0:19:04 So I mean, he broke up here, didn't he?
0:19:04 – 0:19:12 Well, we don't know, because there was on the side, I don't know, I believe in, wait,
0:19:12 – 0:19:22 On the side of the European Commission, there was apparently a message, which is also quoted here in Synth and Tenomy,
0:19:22 – 0:19:35 that the European Commission agrees to the role of Native Instruments and Bridgepoint Group Holdings and Bain Capital.
0:19:35 – 0:19:39 Ah, okay, fine. I thought it was EU-bashing.
0:19:39 – 0:19:46 No, no, no, not at all. I'll pick it up for later so you have something else to cut.
0:19:46 – 0:19:50 [Laughter]
0:19:50 – 0:19:52 Let's go offline.
0:19:52 – 0:20:03 So they allowed the deal and apparently, so here the colleagues of TANOMY and also of CDM suspect,
0:20:03 – 0:20:08 it is presumed that this deal probably did not come about, which would explain,
0:20:08 – 0:20:14 Native Instruments has decided to stop taking this step and file for bankruptcy.
0:20:14 – 0:20:26 If you don't get fresh coal, then it looks stupid and then you have to try to save your business.
0:20:26 – 0:20:33 The best way to do this is to reduce the size of the company.
0:20:33 – 0:20:38 That's basically what's going to happen with it. The company will shrink.
0:20:38 – 0:20:43 You're pretty healthy because you've grown up. They've grown a lot.
0:20:43 – 0:20:49 Yes, even before the company's history. I think Stefan explained it in detail.
0:20:49 – 0:20:54 Stefan explained it in detail. That thing just got too big. Even then, 2012.
0:20:54 – 0:20:57 Yeah, that's right.
0:20:57 – 0:21:01 So that this has lived for another 14 years, I think, is the real miracle.
0:21:01 – 0:21:11 If you could say that you can then see how you like, or then I would say, okay, then maybe there were not quite incompetent managers on it, if they have been able to do so for so long.
0:21:11 – 0:21:24 No, so I wouldn't say in principle now, so Native Instruments has, as I said, they have on every corner and it's burning somewhere, but overall they've already done good stuff.
0:21:24 – 0:21:35 So I think they had a really almost flawless run, actually from foundation to and with, I say, 2010.
0:21:35 – 0:21:46 So everything in the early days, I would say until Complete 7, was that, well, it just looked buggen and so,
0:21:46 – 0:21:50 But I'm telling you, that was the nerdhouse it was.
0:21:50 – 0:22:05 And then, I don't even know where the Verzettler started, because I found contact, I mean let's go through it chronologically, contact, you just have all the synthies first.
0:22:05 – 0:22:15 You have the reactor, the generator, into reactor, into Absynth, into Massive, into FM7, so FM8 later.
0:22:15 – 0:22:23 Yes, they have been using the reactor for quite a while the basement, the basis for all the other synthesizers.
0:22:23 – 0:22:29 I'm still claiming that Artur did the same with Pigments.
0:22:29 – 0:22:37 The others had been around a long time before. Pigments was the opening of the engine.
0:22:37 – 0:22:40 Right, but let's focus on Native Instruments.
0:22:40 – 0:22:45 So at some point they left the reactor behind and then only focused on their sampling stories.
0:22:45 – 0:22:48 And that's what they have. And their controllers.
0:22:48 – 0:22:50 And their controller stories.
0:22:50 – 0:22:54 In the case of sampling, one must not forget that the
0:22:54 – 0:22:56 It has become a quasi-standard.
0:22:56 – 0:22:59 Not really, it was a standard.
0:22:59 – 0:23:04 So that was really 10 years, that was the only option you practically had.
0:23:04 – 0:23:08 If you weren't a stall like SpectraSonic that built the whole substructure itself.
0:23:08 – 0:23:12 Everyone else, from VSL to all the other booths that have their own players today,
0:23:12 – 0:23:18 Players have, East-West players, Sine players, VSL players and I think there was a competing product.
0:23:18 – 0:23:24 That was all contact because the stop, they built the framework and it was cheap and you
0:23:24 – 0:23:28 You could license it, and you had, I tell you, the shit of the witches.
0:23:28 – 0:23:29 Isn't that also a...
0:23:29 – 0:23:31 'Cause that shit got mixed up with Native Instruments.
0:23:31 – 0:23:36 What I can think of in this context when you say that the studio is or was standard
0:23:36 – 0:23:45 At least. It may be that there is also an entire army of third-party client entrepreneurs.
0:23:45 – 0:23:59 with the production of contact player libraries have also tried and thus also money
0:23:59 – 0:24:02 earn and make a living. So that's ….
0:24:02 – 0:24:10 So, say so, the end of the contact would now really tear a few companies into the abyss.
0:24:10 – 0:24:16 There are a number of companies that are virtually only for the contact player or even for the large
0:24:16 – 0:24:21 Make version software. If a company is smart,
0:24:21 – 0:24:28 It has now split up. But I think the licensing of contact is now a thesis,
0:24:28 – 0:24:31 This is not confirmed information. I want to say it again, it's a guess.
0:24:31 – 0:24:37 I have reasoned evidence for this, but it's a guess. My guess is,
0:24:37 – 0:24:43 Contact Licensing is exclusive. So that you're like someone saying,
0:24:43 – 0:24:47 You publish it on Contact or you publish it elsewhere. You can't do it
0:24:47 – 0:24:52 doubled. I can imagine that now some great player is coming and says so,
0:24:52 – 0:24:57 I don't care what happens to the rest, we can sell it all, but here contact
0:24:57 – 0:25:01 I want to have it and then it will continue under another fire.
0:25:01 – 0:25:06 That would be great. So let's say this, if that's a brother who makes an effort and says,
0:25:06 – 0:25:11 I only contact and take over all libraries and provide third-party support,
0:25:11 – 0:25:15 That would be the best thing that can happen on the platform.
0:25:15 – 0:25:17 Exactly, but let's have a look.
0:25:17 – 0:25:22 It just shouldn't be as octopus as it is now, for example, InMusic.
0:25:22 – 0:25:31 Let's speculate. InMusic just occurred to me because Arkei collaborated with Native Instruments.
0:25:31 – 0:25:38 Native Instruments has released its plugins for the MPC platform.
0:25:38 – 0:25:46 Yes, that would be obvious. Especially because Arkei also has a hardware booth in the background.
0:25:46 – 0:25:53 And some companies have tuned their hardware controllers to NKS.
0:25:53 – 0:25:55 Yes, many, many.
0:25:55 – 0:26:01 There are two companies I don't want to see contact with.
0:26:01 – 0:26:04 One is Behringer and the other is Arturia.
0:26:04 – 0:26:07 Behringer won't buy it. I don't think they're interested.
0:26:07 – 0:26:10 What are they supposed to do with it?
0:26:10 – 0:26:14 That's not true, they've gotten along with the QT selection and everything...
0:26:14 – 0:26:18 Especially in the software sector, Behringer is so shitty,
0:26:18 – 0:26:19 as only English goes.
0:26:19 – 0:26:22 They really don't have any expertise.
0:26:22 – 0:26:25 But that's why they might be interested.
0:26:25 – 0:26:27 Yes, they buy the expertise.
0:26:27 – 0:26:28 Mm-hmm.
0:26:28 – 0:26:30 I would do it as a company.
0:26:30 – 0:26:33 Yes, that someone is throwing money without end
0:26:33 – 0:26:35 And then all the contacts are there.
0:26:35 – 0:26:38 And yes, well, then Behringer still has a burning fireball.
0:26:38 – 0:26:41 They are from Midas and TC Electronic.
0:26:41 – 0:26:42 Completely different things done.
0:26:42 – 0:26:51 And I wouldn't say that I wouldn't trust them to buy software expertise.
0:26:51 – 0:26:57 It's the managerial skills that scare me so much.
0:26:57 – 0:27:04 Yeah, that's right. You need a lot of management skills to be able to...
0:27:04 – 0:27:09 It is an ecosystem. So buying an ecosystem, that's probably...
0:27:09 – 0:27:16 That's why I don't think Behringer will do that. I think if Behringer wanted to get into the software sector, they would rather get something smaller.
0:27:16 – 0:27:27 Yeah, that would make sense. And Arturia, I think, should be self-explanatory. They are already the competitive product of the entire line.
0:27:27 – 0:27:32 I don't think they're interested in buying up their competitors. I think they're just waiting.
0:27:32 – 0:27:38 Or they get in touch because Arturia has nothing to do with sampling.
0:27:38 – 0:27:40 You don't have a sampler, that's the point.
0:27:40 – 0:27:44 That is the point. Maybe that's why this contact story
0:27:44 – 0:27:50 Would be totally attractive then for Arturia and everything else is then sold elsewhere.
0:27:50 – 0:27:53 That would mean that we would have stable software,
0:27:53 – 0:27:56 The worst surface of all time. Without dark mode.
0:27:56 – 0:27:59 You can also use absinthe.
0:27:59 – 0:28:04 Well, I think it's a bit different with the synths.
0:28:04 – 0:28:11 So there, I'm just wondering, I mean, you have, what for me personally a lot, a lot
0:28:11 – 0:28:17 It's more exciting, also because I know a little bit, I say, people who use it again.
0:28:17 – 0:28:23 need or want to work tractor, the DJ division, because you can relatively easily
0:28:23 – 0:28:24 to repel.
0:28:24 – 0:28:25 It would also be interesting for Arturia.
0:28:25 – 0:28:26 Yes, that would be interesting for Arturia as well.
0:28:26 – 0:28:27 Arturia?
0:28:27 – 0:28:31 They don't have anything in the DJ sector. Nothing at all.
0:28:31 – 0:28:33 But do they have to?
0:28:33 – 0:28:36 Now I wonder if they have to.
0:28:36 – 0:28:40 No, you don't have to. Then such players as … would come into question.
0:28:40 – 0:28:42 Pioneer doesn't exist anymore, does it?
0:28:42 – 0:28:44 They were also bought.
0:28:44 – 0:28:46 What's the name of this place? Alpha Theta?
0:28:46 – 0:28:51 Alpha Theta, all right.
0:28:51 – 0:28:53 Yeah, but that would be competition.
0:28:53 – 0:29:00 I would prefer that the ecosystem as a whole would migrate somewhere where it works.
0:29:00 – 0:29:05 Could be because the last products, the new X1, the new Z1, which were not so bad now.
0:29:05 – 0:29:13 You really have to go to the big, I wanted to say, mother companies, the big ….
0:29:13 – 0:29:16 Your mother company is so fat.
0:29:16 – 0:29:19 Your mother company.
0:29:19 – 0:29:25 Your mother's company is so fat when it bursts into hero fen stuff.
0:29:25 – 0:29:30 Well, there are some of them. So in music, for example, we had already noticed,
0:29:30 – 0:29:32 That would be such a candidate, for example.
0:29:32 – 0:29:34 Don't have a DJ or something?
0:29:34 – 0:29:41 Yes, that's why. Wait a minute, let me take a look. In Music …
0:29:41 – 0:29:57 In Music, Home of the World's Premier Industry, they have Arkai, they have Air, they have Alesis, they have Denon DJ.
0:29:57 – 0:29:59 Oh, Denon landed with them.
0:29:59 – 0:30:07 And they have Alto Professional. Then they have Denon Professional, they have Engine DJ and they have Headrush.
0:30:07 – 0:30:17 So that could fit there. They have M-Audio, Marantz, Ion, Moog, Numark, Numark is also a DJ sector.
0:30:17 – 0:30:18 Numark is also a DJ, yes.
0:30:18 – 0:30:31 Mixmeister, Sonnyvox, Rain, Rain also a DJ sector, DJ Lighting Control, is called Soundswitch and Stanton.
0:30:31 – 0:30:37 It's all in the DJ sector. So InMusic would actually be a potential candidate to join the tractor division.
0:30:37 – 0:30:46 take over. And maybe even contact. And about Arcaen, huh? Yeah, that's a good question. So
0:30:46 – 0:30:53 Like I said, I'd rather it split in a way, but... What is the name of
0:30:53 – 0:31:04 The mother of innovation? Focusrite. Yes, Focusrite. Yes, Focusrite then has under
0:31:04 – 0:31:11 Sequential, innovation and all that, a few more boats. That would, of course, offer itself.
0:31:11 – 0:31:20 Okay. It's just a bit of a question, so if I look here a bit,
0:31:20 – 0:31:23 The complete ecosystem is one.
0:31:23 – 0:31:27 Or, no, stop.
0:31:27 – 0:31:31 Let me go to the website for a moment.
0:31:31 – 0:31:33 I'll go to the collectors and look,
0:31:33 – 0:31:36 How this is still structured.
0:31:36 – 0:31:39 Because I have now, we have the clusterfuck problem.
0:31:39 – 0:31:41 You have a company based on
0:31:41 – 0:31:43 They offer a huge bundle there.
0:31:43 – 0:31:45 I have collectors myself.
0:31:45 – 0:31:46 I use, I think, somehow
0:31:46 – 0:31:51 5 or 10 percent of that stuff, right? But yes.
0:31:51 – 0:31:55 Focusrite, Focusrite, if I interrupt you for a moment,
0:31:55 – 0:31:59 Focusrite has Adam Audio from Germany,
0:31:59 – 0:32:03 Speaker manufacturers, Innovation, Amplify,
0:32:03 – 0:32:07 Sequential, Oberheim and Sonox.
0:32:07 – 0:32:11 What is Amplify?
0:32:11 – 0:32:15 Maybe preamplifiers?
0:32:15 – 0:32:18 Soundpack.
0:32:18 – 0:32:21 It loads, it loads. I don't want it to load.
0:32:21 – 0:32:26 Now don't expand your escape button.
0:32:26 – 0:32:33 Amplify and Loop Master Soundpacks. Apparently, it's kind of a sampling bull.
0:32:33 – 0:32:40 While you're doing your research, I still have some memories,
0:32:40 – 0:32:49 I'm thinking that a lot of my first things so 90 percent on synthesizers from Net-Aff
0:32:49 – 0:32:55 Instruments are based. Yeah, that's kind of nostalgia, isn't it?
0:32:55 – 0:33:06 Of course. That was a love-hate nostalgia, but it's a nostalgia. As I said, the company
0:33:06 – 0:33:14 In 2010, I would say that the top dog was not without reason. And then it's just kind of,
0:33:14 – 0:33:22 Yes, things have happened. You can explain half of this with capitalism, the other half with capitalism.
0:33:22 – 0:33:33 With, yes, I don't know. I would have guessed, for example, that Native Instruments
0:33:33 – 0:33:40 the Corona years really horny business. But somehow they didn't use it.
0:33:40 – 0:33:44 No, only the hardware stores did the right thing.
0:33:44 – 0:33:48 That's not true. Arturia did a lot of business, too.
0:33:48 – 0:33:54 Yes, but Arturia had a different approach. So you have to see it that way,
0:33:54 – 0:34:01 You had at Corona Native Instruments was always addressed to the professionals. Such a
0:34:01 – 0:34:08 Contact Library is not an augmented string or a V-Collection plugin.
0:34:08 – 0:34:09 That's true.
0:34:09 – 0:34:16 The point is, Corona has seen two divisions where people have really sent.
0:34:16 – 0:34:22 The one was the hardware booth, where 40, 50-year-olds suddenly put things in the hut
0:34:22 – 0:34:28 besides the plants, in fear of never coming out again and almost
0:34:28 – 0:34:29 At least materialize your youth.
0:34:29 – 0:34:36 To smoke the plants and, by the way, to revel in their 80s memories.
0:34:36 – 0:34:43 Yes, exactly. And the other was this incredibly low-threshold.
0:34:43 – 0:34:52 These were basically the people who dragged themselves into plugins between subreddit and becoming a fanboy or worse.
0:34:52 – 0:35:01 And that was just Buden di Aturja, who recognized this early on as an entire ecosystem that didn't start in 1500.
0:35:01 – 0:35:09 The whole V-Collection. They've split it up with the intro and the pro.
0:35:09 – 0:35:16 It was a completely different price range. And then you had stuff like Vita that went through the ceiling because it was free.
0:35:16 – 0:35:19 Serum that went through the ceiling because it was once legendary.
0:35:19 – 0:35:23 I had things like "I crack myself fruity loops, I crack myself ableton".
0:35:23 – 0:35:29 I think, also because contact was still quite difficult to crack,
0:35:29 – 0:35:36 because the build itself was already so unstable that you couldn't save it in the terminal
0:35:36 – 0:35:39 It just fell apart on the first crack.
0:35:39 – 0:35:51 So I would just say that this is now a company that has benefited extremely badly from, I say, squatting at home anyway.
0:35:51 – 0:36:00 They certainly had some good moments, but they didn't have a strong hardware release that had,
0:36:00 – 0:36:06 Machine was felt forever outside, the Komplete keyboards came only after that,
0:36:06 – 0:36:11 Tractor, so DJ was casual anyway, wasn't he?
0:36:11 – 0:36:15 I don't know what they did at the time, they just did the same thing as always.
0:36:15 – 0:36:19 They shot out libraries and in the age where various studios just closed down
0:36:19 – 0:36:23 and professional musicians had to sell their instruments and set up Patreon accounts,
0:36:23 – 0:36:26 In order to make ends meet,
0:36:26 – 0:36:28 No one is thinking about the complete update.
0:36:28 – 0:36:37 So, I think that was, maybe that was actually a bit of the,
0:36:37 – 0:36:43 I wouldn't say the neck shot, but that was ultimately what you relied on for a few years.
0:36:43 – 0:36:49 You have had the synthies delivered more like this under horses and just packed them into the complete package
0:36:49 – 0:36:56 They just blew out library after library after library because the studios were just money printing machines.
0:36:56 – 0:36:58 And then it all breaks away.
0:36:58 – 0:37:00 And you are already busy with it yourself,
0:37:00 – 0:37:03 It's bad for you to get together and stick to your own company.
0:37:03 – 0:37:06 What was remarkable was that you
0:37:06 – 0:37:13 good refurbished native instruments hardware,
0:37:13 – 0:37:17 Controller, Machine Plus and so on and so on,
0:37:17 – 0:37:22 You can use it regularly at reverb.com.
0:37:22 – 0:37:24 for half the price.
0:37:24 – 0:37:32 So what does the Machine Plus cost now? A thousand? On Revert.com you could
0:37:32 – 0:37:36 As a refurbished device for just half.
0:37:36 – 0:37:37 The machine plus?
0:37:37 – 0:37:46 For 600, for 599 you could buy them. I don't know, it may always be
0:37:46 – 0:37:47 There is even an offer.
0:37:47 – 0:37:57 I see the plus here at … Moment times briefly … I enter machines at Turman and get
0:37:57 – 0:38:02 Just foot machines. That's very nice, but it's not …
0:38:02 – 0:38:14 At Thomann 799, nee is not right, at Music Store 899 for the Machine Plus.
0:38:14 – 0:38:24 Kirstein 799. So, are you going to Reverb?
0:38:24 – 0:38:30 Dorman 750 or something.
0:38:30 – 0:38:34 You'll get 749.
0:38:34 – 0:38:42 The micro is quite cheap, the normal one is something like that at 300 something. bonnet
0:38:42 – 0:38:45 Of course, there's a lot more to it.
0:38:45 – 0:38:51 7.49, but in between you really got it for 5.99.
0:38:51 – 0:38:56 Once upon a time there was this sale where they kind of built shit on the website
0:38:56 – 0:38:59 Suddenly things turned 80.% I had a discount or something.
0:38:59 – 0:39:02 And that was actually during Corona.
0:39:02 – 0:39:06 So I think they had...
0:39:06 – 0:39:10 I think you might have lost some money in the story.
0:39:10 – 0:39:22 But should such a company tear directly into the abyss? I don't think so. Not when she's smart, right?
0:39:22 – 0:39:25 Everyone's scrolling, ey.
0:39:25 – 0:39:38 Especially if you think that software is a relatively cheap good in sales,
0:39:38 – 0:39:46 Now for the manufacturer. Yes, you once have the development, which of course costs money,
0:39:46 – 0:39:58 But after that, each copy costs you very little money. It's not like hardware.
0:39:58 – 0:40:05 And then there is the physical. Of course, you still have hardware.
0:40:05 – 0:40:14 to the Haxen. Native Instruments had what it was that they had in between.
0:40:14 – 0:40:24 through hardware products at the start, which they then left completely to the left after a short time.
0:40:24 – 0:40:35 The thought came to me before, we then turned away, but of course it could be that Core was the first gynecological shot at that time.
0:40:35 – 0:40:40 That was definitely the case. So Core was actually a pretty cool idea.
0:40:40 – 0:40:42 But it was a great idea.
0:40:42 – 0:40:44 So that was just...
0:40:44 – 0:40:46 Well painted is not well done.
0:40:46 – 0:40:51 Yes, it was Enkays in his vision with the means of the middle zeros.
0:40:51 – 0:40:57 And sometimes I get the impression that they put more money into the design than into the software.
0:40:57 – 0:41:02 The controller looked great, but only worked so semi-functionally.
0:41:02 – 0:41:08 And then in version 2, when they had the great idea in version 2,
0:41:08 – 0:41:16 Okay, we're taking out everyone, basically every predetermined breaking point, so audio interface out, MIDI interface out.
0:41:16 – 0:41:22 So all the things that have made the whole thing in the ecosystem.
0:41:22 – 0:41:30 And in the end it was just a silver box with poorly capacitive keys, wasn't it?
0:41:30 – 0:41:34 Like this LG Chocolate phone back then, which everyone had back then.
0:41:34 – 0:41:48 That was the biggest shit. All these phones with these touch buttons, a physical thing that Kor also worked.
0:41:48 – 0:41:52 And then the thing crashed into the middle of the product cycle.
0:41:52 – 0:41:57 So I can remember I had a demo of Kor on the computer back then,
0:41:57 – 0:42:06 2.8, 2.9 or 2.7, 2.6, I don't know, somehow, on one of my first computers, that is, the first to do so.
0:42:06 – 0:42:12 You've already noticed that, unlike the synthesizers, this isn't exactly what they did.
0:42:12 – 0:42:17 It could have been so good, but yes, and most importantly, it probably wanted to be a good system.
0:42:17 – 0:42:21 I think the idea was just too early.
0:42:21 – 0:42:24 Yeah, you got the problem.
0:42:24 – 0:42:27 They came ten years early with the whole thing.
0:42:27 – 0:42:32 The second attempt worked more or less because it was much more conservative.
0:42:32 – 0:42:35 The NCP system.
0:42:35 – 0:42:38 Yes, NKS is great.
0:42:38 – 0:42:40 No.
0:42:40 – 0:42:43 Compared to Core, yes.
0:42:43 – 0:42:45 Compared to Core, of course.
0:42:45 – 0:42:49 From the idea great, in the implementation I want to kick it,
0:42:49 – 0:42:53 but I don't use it deliberately for reasons, but …
0:42:53 – 0:42:56 Um, yeah.
0:42:56 – 0:42:58 No, but clearly …
0:42:58 – 0:43:00 And now MIDI 2.0 is here, isn't it?
0:43:00 – 0:43:02 Yes, yes.
0:43:02 – 0:43:04 Which somehow no one implements, felt.
0:43:04 – 0:43:06 So I didn't see it myself at the NAMM.
0:43:06 – 0:43:09 Oh, we didn't want to talk about NAMM. Sorry.
0:43:09 – 0:43:12 No, that's ….
0:43:12 – 0:43:15 NAMM 2?
0:43:15 – 0:43:29 Yes, name show were hardware shows, were presentation shows, we'll talk about it in another episode.
0:43:29 – 0:43:30 Yeah, that's right.
0:43:30 – 0:43:35 That's just too much, is … otherwise I mean, this is of course quite a
0:43:35 – 0:43:39 Tectonic shift, I would almost say, in the music market.
0:43:39 – 0:43:43 So this is a topic that I might have even pushed over one way or another.
0:43:43 – 0:43:47 With or without what just happened.
0:43:47 – 0:43:52 It's a tectonic shift in the music market.
0:43:52 – 0:43:54 Let me think about it again.
0:43:54 – 0:43:56 Yeah, let me talk a little bit.
0:43:56 – 0:43:58 I think what was still difficult for Native,
0:43:58 – 0:44:00 The first is the guitar rig.
0:44:00 – 0:44:05 Because, so Guitar Rig was mature, you have to say.
0:44:05 – 0:44:08 So unlike Core, which was just a construction site,
0:44:08 – 0:44:14 Since its creation, Guitar Rig has actually been very, very solid with version 3.
0:44:14 – 0:44:20 So I'm saying that people like Alessandro Cortini and others wouldn't be on stage otherwise.
0:44:20 – 0:44:24 Or with a complete guitar rig system.
0:44:24 – 0:44:30 And then that happened, I think, I think they had,
0:44:30 – 0:44:35 I don't know, because they wanted to consolidate themselves somehow in the first round.
0:44:35 – 0:44:41 So together with the choir they stamped Guitar Rig again and
0:44:41 – 0:44:48 I think at the time I was concentrating on tractors and mashing. And Mashing was in that sense.
0:44:48 – 0:44:53 a success story, but there they are much, much later with the studio and the jam
0:44:53 – 0:44:58 A bit of a break, although I still see some on Reddit to this day
0:44:58 – 0:45:06 Sometimes in studios. But you can already say that the hardware is always such a double-edged
0:45:06 – 0:45:11 It was a sword. Especially because the ideas were usually great and the implementation then in this
0:45:11 – 0:45:17 A huge ecosystem has failed. Especially when I think about the software.
0:45:17 – 0:45:27 by Grythal Raker, that's good, that's nice. That's what I've done with so many, so Goa and
0:45:27 – 0:45:36 As a Sightrans producer, do you like to use it? So I sold my Line 6 Helix
0:45:36 – 0:45:41 I'm back on guitar rig. Or no, I only went on Guitar Rig because I have yes
0:45:41 – 0:45:47 Native Instruments boycotted very well all these years after giving me my Mesh Micro
0:45:47 – 0:45:54 1 shot incapacitated somehow. It wasn't a brick now, but it was just in the sense of
0:45:54 – 0:45:57 "Yes, please, this update." But this update is nowhere.
0:45:57 – 0:46:01 And then please pay for this update.
0:46:01 – 0:46:06 I don't know what anyone was riding,
0:46:06 – 0:46:10 But it was not a good development.
0:46:10 – 0:46:14 So I boycotted it more or less for nine years.
0:46:14 – 0:46:16 And then in 2021...
0:46:16 – 0:46:20 Because they've done awesome things.
0:46:20 – 0:46:25 So the Light Trilogy are for me the best granular libraries you can get.
0:46:25 – 0:46:31 And that would also be the case, I would say, of the eight Native Instruments plugins,
0:46:31 – 0:46:35 Which I don't want to throw away.
0:46:35 – 0:46:41 I talk every few anniversaries, not anniversaries, every few months here,
0:46:41 – 0:46:46 I'm talking about the fact that I could completely kick the company now.
0:46:46 – 0:46:51 But then I think to myself, studio drama, there is no competition, basically.
0:46:51 – 0:46:59 There is no competition for the Light Trilogy, i.e. Ash Light, Far Light, Stray Light.
0:46:59 – 0:47:06 There is actually no competition for the Scene Series now and before that it would have been Lores and Fables.
0:47:06 – 0:47:13 What is actually much more pleasant is that they now sell this in the Scene Series in such small 1 GB bites,
0:47:13 – 0:47:18 while the others are just 80 gigabytes of chunks or they just fill up the computer.
0:47:18 – 0:47:28 And I would also say, of the pianos, the Noir Piano, which is quite unrivalled, still.
0:47:28 – 0:47:31 Even if it's not my favorite piano.
0:47:31 – 0:47:34 Arcus was also a very nice library.
0:47:34 – 0:47:40 I also have a bit of a stomachache when I think I'm letting things go.
0:47:40 – 0:47:46 Massive X anyway. Massive X is, I think, the synthesizer I use as the foundation,
0:47:46 – 0:47:50 if I just want to build a nice effect chain somewhere, where underneath just such a beautiful
0:47:50 – 0:47:55 Sawtooth or something like that... It also has a great noise section. So,
0:47:55 – 0:48:01 They've always done crazy cool things, even if, I say, Slop.
0:48:01 – 0:48:09 It's the right word for a lot of what they've done. For external manufacturers
0:48:09 – 0:48:17 Now you can ask yourself, I think they were all very busy in and for themselves,
0:48:17 – 0:48:21 but they are just merciless masses and above all because you are on this shitty
0:48:21 – 0:48:26 Native Instruments' website cannot filter between Native itself and third-party vendors,
0:48:26 – 0:48:32 Which just makes it worse somehow. Well, yeah.
0:48:32 – 0:48:45 Yes, this is also something that I find very disturbing, that you can not filter there and the
0:48:45 – 0:48:49 All the purchased products come up again and again.
0:48:49 – 0:49:05 The Threads by VE Control, the large sample library platform, has eight pages. I'll take a quick look at KVR, what it looks like.
0:49:05 – 0:49:13 Well, apparently the tree isn't even burning out yet. There is nothing on the front page. What about the forum?
0:49:13 – 0:49:28 Native Instruments, Insolvent, already 8 pages.
0:49:28 – 0:49:37 However, if you look at insolvenzmelden.de, I can't find Native Instruments now.
0:49:37 – 0:49:46 Is this a pre-insolvency? Do you have one like that in mind, yes we can't go on, but …
0:49:46 – 0:49:49 I don't know, I don't know.
0:49:49 – 0:49:54 The question is also to what extent these directories are maintained.
0:49:54 – 0:49:55 That's right.
0:49:55 – 0:49:57 Because there are quanta.
0:49:57 – 0:49:59 Exactly, that's right.
0:49:59 – 0:50:02 Think about how many insolvencies there are each day.
0:50:02 – 0:50:04 Yes, currently yes.
0:50:04 – 0:50:06 Last year we had 30,000.
0:50:06 – 0:50:09 Yes, we will all be replaced.
0:50:09 – 0:50:12 If not by AI, then by Indians.
0:50:12 – 0:50:16 I mean, that's why they want to abolish part-time now.
0:50:16 – 0:50:20 From part-time directly into coursework.
0:50:20 – 0:50:23 Yes, yes.
0:50:23 – 0:50:27 Yeah, you want to get rid of part-time.
0:50:27 – 0:50:34 It's just that you somehow want to get that one trillion in tax revenue.
0:50:34 – 0:50:40 That's what they're trying to do now, of course, with the lemon with the last pressure they put on it.
0:50:40 – 0:50:43 You can still practice squeezing out somehow.
0:50:43 – 0:50:44 But that doesn't work.
0:50:44 – 0:50:47 You can keep years of bad politics …
0:50:47 – 0:50:51 I remember this grueling cartoon where somehow the farmer was still on the dead clock
0:50:51 – 0:50:54 Jump around so he can get some garbage out.
0:50:54 – 0:50:57 The same is true of this part-time retirement.
0:50:57 – 0:51:00 That's exactly the same thing.
0:51:00 – 0:51:04 We didn't want to be political, let's do it.
0:51:04 – 0:51:08 No, I actually find that, so I don't find that on this website, but I think
0:51:08 – 0:51:10 It's not an official site, is it?
0:51:10 – 0:51:13 Yes, it is.
0:51:13 – 0:51:17 Ministry of Justice North Rhine-Westphalia, but this is not current.
0:51:17 – 0:51:18 This is North Rhine-Westphalia.
0:51:18 – 0:51:19 The main obligation is in Berlin.
0:51:19 – 0:51:20 Yeah, well, that's why.
0:51:20 – 0:51:22 One of the flags is in Berlin.
0:51:22 – 0:51:24 Yeah, that's why.
0:51:24 – 0:51:31 Insolvency notice Berlin.
0:51:31 – 0:51:39 I think if you file for bankruptcy, you really have to make it public.
0:51:39 – 0:51:49 Yes, once you have to make this public, and the local court where you did this will make this public.
0:51:49 – 0:51:57 So you have to give out a press release and the district court enters it almost in such a directory.
0:51:57 – 0:52:04 Incidentally, this is also the same as with private interventions, which are also entered in such a directory.
0:52:04 – 0:52:08 This is doxing at state expense.
0:52:08 – 0:52:15 By the way, even if you start a company, from a certain form of company,
0:52:15 – 0:52:25 Doxing at state expense because all data of the parties involved are made publicly available.
0:52:25 – 0:52:31 Address and so on. That's totally horny. You'd have to change, too.
0:52:31 – 0:52:42 People, this website "insolvenzannounce.de", you can see once again that digitization
0:52:42 – 0:52:55 It's been at least 10 years since we started designing our website. You have no
0:52:55 – 0:53:02 Reasonable data entry occurs in order to reasonably edit the date of publication.
0:53:02 – 0:53:09 Dear Thomas, you come from IT, you have a different approach and a different need,
0:53:09 – 0:53:16 Entering data, doing research and dealing with it like someone who stops from
0:53:16 – 0:53:23 Bureaucracy is coming. They think differently than you do. That's like someone you're nailing,
0:53:23 – 0:53:27 in Kristinazinskijanrams. It's different.
0:53:27 – 0:53:29 I despair of that.
0:53:29 – 0:53:33 That's what some apprentice here will have plotted together.
0:53:33 – 0:53:39 In addition, we live in Germany, which is the country where they say yes is still possible.
0:53:39 – 0:53:45 How to update please? Why don't you go?
0:53:45 – 0:53:52 This sums up the whole policy of Helmut Kohl and I believe that is also the foundation stone.
0:53:52 – 0:53:57 I said Pissbosch so nicely, people got excited about Helmut Kohl and
0:53:57 – 0:54:00 He was bravely re-elected Chancellor every time.
0:54:00 – 0:54:04 I never understood that either.
0:54:04 – 0:54:07 At the time, I thought it was just awful, the cabbage.
0:54:07 – 0:54:13 I've never voted CDU, I've always voted Green or SPD or something else.
0:54:13 – 0:54:14 Pirate party.
0:54:14 – 0:54:21 Yes, I'm a leftist, I'm a leftist sock.
0:54:21 – 0:54:28 But if you're as old as me and you're still on the left, you can't help it anymore.
0:54:28 – 0:54:36 I think the problem is rather, the port has left the ship,
0:54:36 – 0:54:40 It was still at anchor. At least that's how I feel.
0:54:40 – 0:54:49 You said that nicely, I think. Leave it to politics.
0:54:49 – 0:54:53 That's not nice here. I really wouldn't find that. So I don't know,
0:54:53 – 0:54:59 Maybe you can try your luck again, but I can't confirm it now.
0:54:59 – 0:55:08 I'm reading through old threads, some new threads.
0:55:08 – 0:55:18 Because if I fill the field with company name and I give a native, you should still think,
0:55:18 – 0:55:26 Something would have to come. There's nothing coming. The company will be 30 years old next May.
0:55:26 – 0:55:35 But let's just say it's an event that makes waves.
0:55:35 – 0:55:40 It fits in this January, yes, somehow.
0:55:40 – 0:55:45 I mean, it's not like some synthesizer guy is going bankrupt at first.
0:55:45 – 0:55:49 Wait, what I think is crazy, I'm here on the CDM article, it says,
0:55:49 – 0:55:59 According to Insolvency Documents, Berlin-based Native Instruments GmbH is in preliminary insolvency proceedings.
0:55:59 – 0:56:06 So, and if you click on the link, on the insolvency documents, there is nothing.
0:56:06 – 0:56:12 There comes only this insolvency administration, uh, this insolvency notice.de website
0:56:12 – 0:56:18 from the NRW Ministry of Justice. And that's it.
0:56:18 – 0:56:25 This is not a serious article for me now, I'm sorry, but if that,
0:56:25 – 0:56:30 I can't confirm now that they have actually filed for bankruptcy.
0:56:30 – 0:56:34 I mean, Professor Dr. Thorsten Martini, there is.
0:56:34 – 0:56:41 This is a lawyer from Berlin, a specialist lawyer for insolvency and restructuring law.
0:56:41 – 0:56:45 There's one.
0:56:45 – 0:56:54 But the insolvency documents mentioned here are not linked.
0:56:54 – 0:56:59 So that's a bit of a … for me.
0:56:59 – 0:57:01 Well, yeah.
0:57:01 – 0:57:07 Yes, but it's …, all the big sides are reporting.
0:57:07 – 0:57:19 Yes, so I also have the impression that it's just going around and the bureaucracy has just done what is necessary and the rest so …
0:57:19 – 0:57:22 Even Hilda Deller-Mahr and so on reports about it.
0:57:22 – 0:57:24 They still exist?
0:57:24 – 0:57:26 Yeah, they still exist.
0:57:26 – 0:57:27 Shit.
0:57:27 – 0:57:30 By the way, I haven't seen a video on her YouTube channel in a long time.
0:57:30 – 0:57:34 That's funny.
0:57:34 – 0:57:36 by Della Mana.
0:57:36 – 0:57:44 You clicked on the article for the bankruptcy and then more on the topic and then you just have the products that they have tested.
0:57:44 – 0:57:48 Oh man, that's always so sad.
0:57:50 – 0:57:52 After the Amazon.
0:57:52 – 0:57:54 Let's go for a second.
0:57:54 – 0:57:56 Oh, yeah, here.
0:57:56 – 0:57:58 But it's really just a ticker message.
0:57:58 – 0:58:00 Yes, yes.
0:58:00 – 0:58:02 No, I'm sorry, I don't think so.
0:58:02 – 0:58:06 Search result, search period.
0:58:06 – 0:58:08 1.1.2026
0:58:08 – 0:58:10 to 27.1.2026
0:58:10 – 0:58:12 NI, Native Instruments, GmbH,
0:58:12 – 0:58:14 I don't think so. So, now I'm looking for
0:58:14 – 0:58:16 another period.
0:58:16 – 0:58:18 Let's give it a go
0:58:18 – 0:58:27 A year back. So let's go to 1.5.2025 so far.
0:58:27 – 0:58:34 Why don't you call Thorsten? Yeah, you wouldn't have to say anything about that.
0:58:34 – 0:58:40 Now at 9:54 p.m. Yeah, he's on it, he's important, he's a professor.
0:58:40 – 0:58:48 You mean that's the guy from Sund Anatomy.
0:58:48 – 0:58:50 He also has a law firm in Berlin and Cologne.
0:58:50 – 0:58:54 I can't find this. I don't know what they're saying.
0:58:54 – 0:58:59 So the law firm, it has several locations.
0:58:59 – 0:59:02 Yes, in Cologne and Berlin.
0:59:02 – 0:59:11 So Berlin, Frankfurt, Frankfurt am Main, Hamburg, Cologne, Munich and other locations.
0:59:11 – 0:59:17 He will certainly work more than just a lawyer. He will certainly have a whole team.
0:59:17 – 0:59:30 Yes, this is Arnsberg, Bielefeld, Bochum, Bonn, Borken, Bottrop, Braunschweig, Bremen, Dortmund, Dresden, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Frankfurt, Essen.
0:59:30 – 0:59:49 I have this now, I don't know, I don't know, so I find it on this website in Solvency Announcement, if this is an official website, then I don't find it there. Sounds a bit like a duck to me.
0:59:49 – 0:59:59 If that's a duck, it's my god, the whole internet in terms of music, it's all jumped on it.
0:59:59 – 1:00:05 Peter Korrn, I think, gets in quite a bit of trouble if that's a duck.
1:00:05 – 1:00:08 Yes, because they all relate to it.
1:00:08 – 1:00:10 Yeah, definitely, of course.
1:00:10 – 1:00:16 That would be a huge shitstorm.
1:00:16 – 1:00:22 What did I miss in the two minutes I was on the toilet?
1:00:22 – 1:00:30 I'm gone for a second and you're suddenly talking about a duck.
1:00:30 – 1:00:37 It's very simple. I find on this website, which Peter Körn has linked to on his website,
1:00:37 – 1:00:44 according to insolvency documents, you click on this link and there is no information.
1:00:44 – 1:00:51 You only come to this website. That's why I have the impression that this is a duck.
1:00:51 – 1:01:02 You only come to the homepage Insolvency Announcement and there is no Native Instruments on it,
1:01:02 – 1:01:07 You can't find them there. I also searched last year, no announcement.
1:01:07 – 1:01:14 So, if you start a Google search now, Native Instruments, Insolvency.
1:01:14 – 1:01:15 Yes, I did.
1:01:15 – 1:01:16 Then what do you get?
1:01:16 – 1:01:21 Yes, it's all just the news sites, all of which rely on one thing.
1:01:21 – 1:01:26 Exactly, that's why we wait, because as long as I'm on this announcement page
1:01:26 – 1:01:36 I don't believe in this news, or in any other official place, I don't believe this news.
1:01:36 – 1:01:38 Yeah, but you don't think …
1:01:38 – 1:01:44 I think that's fake news. And Peter Korn, yes, I have my own opinion on that.
1:01:44 – 1:01:51 Yes, but you probably don't think that all the portals and so on didn't write an email to the insolvency administrator.
1:01:51 – 1:01:53 Well, so...
1:01:53 – 1:01:55 This is the little one.
1:01:55 – 1:01:57 I don't know.
1:01:57 – 1:01:59 We didn't do that because we just found out.
1:01:59 – 1:02:02 Yeah, but that's the little one from one of the journalists.
1:02:02 – 1:02:06 I believe that all of them have now written off Peter Körn here.
1:02:06 – 1:02:11 Yeah, that's the next cow you're thirsting to give up.
1:02:11 – 1:02:16 Yeah, yeah, so I, uh, wait, he told the lawyer that I'm gonna
1:02:16 – 1:02:17 Just write to him now.
1:02:17 – 1:02:20 I'll send him an email.
1:02:20 – 1:02:22 It's his email address, it's in there.
1:02:22 – 1:02:23 Mm-hmm.
1:02:23 – 1:02:28 So, I'll write to him now and then, uh, in our next bonus episode
1:02:28 – 1:02:31 I'll tell you what he answered.
1:02:31 – 1:02:32 Hui!
1:02:32 – 1:02:35 Or I'll just call him tomorrow, he's in Berlin.
1:02:35 – 1:02:39 Or in Hamburg, or in Cologne, or in Bremen, or in Bochum.
1:02:39 – 1:02:41 No, what are you telling me?
1:02:41 – 1:02:44 If you go to the page, there are other locations, that's there.
1:02:44 – 1:02:46 I had just been.
1:02:46 – 1:02:48 Who has only two locations?
1:02:48 – 1:02:50 Professor Dr. Thorsten Martini.
1:02:50 – 1:02:52 Yeah, it's with you, but when you're at the office.
1:02:52 – 1:02:55 I'm not going to the office, I'm with him.
1:02:55 – 1:02:57 And he's only here for two locations.
1:02:57 – 1:03:00 Yes, because Berlin and Cologne, right?
1:03:00 – 1:03:04 It's like, uh, Marseille and uh...
1:03:04 – 1:03:06 So, folks, not so much junk here now.
1:03:06 – 1:03:08 Let's make butter for the fish here.
1:03:08 – 1:03:13 make. Now I'm doing the work that a real journalist would do. I am
1:03:13 – 1:03:20 What do you call it, footmen? I'm writing now... Seeing and feeling and empathic
1:03:20 – 1:03:37 A working journalist. "Insolvent?" Question mark, press inquiry. Dear
1:03:37 – 1:03:44 What's that guy's name? Dr. Professor? Professor doctor.
1:03:44 – 1:04:08 Dear Prof. Dr. Martini, as I have learned from various music technology news pages,
1:04:08 – 1:04:27 Native Instruments GmbH filed for insolvency
1:04:27 – 1:04:38 They have continued to work on the insolvency scandal.
1:04:38 – 1:04:42 Can't you have something like this written by Gemini or Chat-Gibberty?
1:04:42 – 1:04:45 Can you confirm this? I'll do it right away.
1:04:45 – 1:04:48 Question marks.
1:04:48 – 1:04:51 Yours sincerely...
1:04:51 – 1:04:56 If we're gonna blow this out tonight and the first ones were with that guess...
1:04:56 – 1:04:59 I'll get this out right away.
1:04:59 – 1:05:01 That's it.
1:05:01 – 1:05:05 I'll give you a copy so you can see it.
1:05:05 – 1:05:07 PS, how much is the purchase price?
1:05:07 – 1:05:07 laughing
1:05:07 – 1:05:20 Oh man, the evening is getting better and better.
1:05:20 – 1:05:46 "Acquainted with the relevant insolvency, young people's portals do not have any entries for this purpose."
1:05:46 – 1:05:56 So, I don't know for sure now, I haven't read the whole CDM article now, but what I do know is that the Synthentano mi requested from Native Instruments.
1:05:56 – 1:06:01 Because he thinks it's kind of weird, too.
1:06:01 – 1:06:07 I could imagine. In this respect, we should also mention this.
1:06:07 – 1:06:13 So it also seems strange to me what Peter Körn has tapped.
1:06:13 – 1:06:19 Or he has already enquired about Native Instruments himself and has not received an answer, that can be.
1:06:19 – 1:06:24 But then I wouldn't have blown the news out in his place, because of course he probably wanted to be the first.
1:06:24 – 1:06:30 So let's say this, if you cut such a knocker into the net unidentified …
1:06:30 – 1:06:32 He did.
1:06:32 – 1:06:41 He did. This is not verified. He saw it on this page apparently, maybe, possibly.
1:06:41 – 1:06:46 Otherwise, he wouldn't have this information with Professor Dr. Martini.
1:06:46 – 1:06:53 But he did, that's just one source, he didn't get the second source confirmed.
1:06:53 – 1:06:57 This is not a serious journalistic article for me.
1:06:57 – 1:07:01 You need, I think, at least always even, I think, three sources, wasn't that so?
1:07:01 – 1:07:02 Yes, three sources.
1:07:02 – 1:07:05 So now we have to write to Native Instruments again.
1:07:05 – 1:07:06 I think I'll just take them to CC.
1:07:06 – 1:07:11 [Laughter]
1:07:11 – 1:07:25 Yes, we have also written two sources at once. We have one source, yes, it has not confirmed this, namely this insolvency notice website. It has not confirmed what Peter Korn claims.
1:07:25 – 1:07:28 Is it based on the website?
1:07:28 – 1:07:29 Yes.
1:07:29 – 1:07:36 But he did not set a direct link, so only a link to the directories.
1:07:36 – 1:07:40 So the question is, did anyone in the archive screenshot it?
1:07:40 – 1:07:42 So we can still find it with the Wayback?
1:07:42 – 1:07:46 'Cause, it could have been plopped up, then plopped away again.
1:07:46 – 1:07:49 No, that's information that's probably coming from a database.
1:07:49 – 1:07:51 This is not backed up with a wayback machine.
1:07:51 – 1:07:53 Hm, okay.
1:07:53 – 1:07:57 It's not an HTML page, it's data.
1:07:57 – 1:08:00 Which you have to find out via the search mask.
1:08:00 – 1:08:02 It comes from a database,
1:08:02 – 1:08:04 And, of course, the database is not in a wayback machine.
1:08:04 – 1:08:11 It's just a little impractical that we, well, that it happens in the country,
1:08:11 – 1:08:13 We understand the language and bureaucracy.
1:08:13 – 1:08:18 At least two of us, I'll get out of there.
1:08:18 – 1:08:24 Nice twist in the evening, if you ask me.
1:08:24 – 1:08:39 Yes, company, native, press area, contact, there's your email address.
1:08:39 – 1:08:48 Ahso, where I see this right now, which is also fierce, Native Instruments, the
1:08:48 – 1:09:08 We have counterparts everywhere. We have locations here in North America, Berlin is clear, Japan in Tokyo, we have an office in United Kingdom in London,
1:09:08 – 1:09:19 No, that's not true. In Birmingham, they have an office in France, they have an office in Paris, and they have something in Shenzhen.
1:09:19 – 1:09:20 In Shenzhen.
1:09:20 – 1:09:28 Yes, in Shenzhen, in this tech, in this huge tech million city, big city.
1:09:28 – 1:09:31 I have a new nurse who's coming.
1:09:31 – 1:09:33 From Shenzhen?
1:09:33 – 1:09:34 Yes, yes.
1:09:34 – 1:09:36 Ah, okay.
1:09:36 – 1:09:38 Rui Beng.
1:09:38 – 1:09:43 So, now I'm sending the mail through Chat-GPT.
1:09:43 – 1:09:49 I've exchanged a lot of Asian dishes.
1:09:49 – 1:09:51 That's good.
1:09:51 – 1:09:53 That's authentic.
1:09:53 – 1:10:05 I put the following e-mail in a professional tone.
1:10:05 – 1:10:08 Zack, zack, zack.
1:10:08 – 1:10:14 The mail looks good.
1:10:14 – 1:10:17 Let's copy it in here.
1:10:20 – 1:10:25 It's great to listen to live email.
1:10:25 – 1:10:26 Isn't that true?
1:10:26 – 1:10:27 Not bad for a Tuesday night.
1:10:27 – 1:10:28 Not bad for a Tuesday night.
1:10:28 – 1:10:29 You mean you've had worse nights?
1:10:29 – 1:10:30 Well, I've had more boring ones.
1:10:30 – 1:10:31 Yes, so with all speculation, so if that's actually true, then it's true.
1:10:31 – 1:10:32 It's a little worse.
1:10:32 – 1:10:33 But it's also a bit worse when you think of it as if you
1:10:33 – 1:10:34 It's like imagining it, like imagining it,
1:10:34 – 1:10:35 It's like imagining it as if you were imagining it as if you were imagining it.
1:10:35 – 1:10:41 Well, I've had more boring ones.
1:10:41 – 1:10:52 Yes, so with all speculation, so if that actually proves to be true,
1:10:52 – 1:10:55 That would be quite a hammer.
1:10:55 – 1:10:58 Yeah, and if it's the duck, it'd be quite a knocker, too.
1:10:58 – 1:11:02 No matter how it turns out, it's definitely a blast.
1:11:02 – 1:11:04 Yes, yes.
1:11:04 – 1:11:06 Definitely.
1:11:06 – 1:11:08 Puh.
1:11:08 – 1:11:10 That's it.
1:11:10 – 1:11:12 Mail.
1:11:12 – 1:11:14 Oh, where's the mail now?
1:11:14 – 1:11:16 Damn it.
1:11:16 – 1:11:18 Mail is gone. Where's my mail?
1:11:18 – 1:11:20 The mail is gone.
1:11:20 – 1:11:22 There she is.
1:11:22 – 1:11:24 So, always fuck out. And goodbye.
1:11:24 – 1:11:28 Did you read the control?
1:11:28 – 1:11:30 Of course.
1:11:30 – 1:11:32 Everything in the red.
1:11:32 – 1:11:34 Everything in the red.
1:11:34 – 1:11:40 No, really, no matter what comes out of it, we definitely have a bang.
1:11:40 – 1:11:47 The dissolution, my dear children, will be in the next episode.
1:11:47 – 1:11:51 When they hear the Tobi say.
1:11:51 – 1:11:58 Bring the sledgehammer, if you come tonight, we'll cut everything short and small.
1:11:58 – 1:12:01 All the old junk has to go out and new junk has to go in.
1:12:01 – 1:12:04 By tomorrow, the whole snot must have disappeared.
1:12:04 – 1:12:08 Quote Sven Regner, Element of Crime, Romance 2001.
1:12:08 – 1:12:11 In that sense, nice evening yet.
1:12:11 – 1:12:12 Bye bye.
1:12:12 – 1:12:13 Good morning or good day.
1:12:13 – 1:12:14 Farewell, cost.
1:12:14 – 1:12:15 Do it well.
1:12:15 – 1:12:23 Yes, dear listeners, here is the offline emergency stream.
1:12:23 – 1:12:33 I have tried a bit more on the website insolvenzannounce.de and have
1:12:33 – 1:12:40 In fact, you can now find two entries with the corresponding reference number that actually:
1:12:40 – 1:12:50 Native Instruments GmbH and Native Instruments Group GmbH have filed for insolvency.
1:12:50 – 1:12:54 And this confirms what Peter Kern has found there.
1:12:54 – 1:12:58 And yes, then we will talk about the effects,
1:12:58 – 1:13:02 We'll probably be in the next few weeks or months.
1:13:02 – 1:13:03 Find out more.
1:13:03 – 1:13:06 And we'll certainly do it again on the podcast.
1:13:06 – 1:13:10 Continue discussing and discussing how things are going now
1:13:10 – 1:13:12 with all the stories.
1:13:12 – 1:13:15 And maybe we'll get confirmation from a lawyer.
1:13:15 – 1:13:18 Yeah, let's see.
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1:13:38 – 1:13:47 Tobi and Mr. Emergency Strom. Have fun!
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The long overdue first edition of the podcast year 2026 implodes two hours before recording the preparation including the topic? There is no other place where empires implode. Relatively unprepared, but in the awareness of their own educational mission, the three rumble through a flood of information, discuss impact, legacy and possible consequences and eventually mutate into journalists in the jungle of extremely confusing government platforms.

🎧 Topic overview

Arriving in the rehearsal room
A tired evening, a bad mood, small teases – the classic introduction to a really relaxed recording. No one knows yet that the focus of the episode will shift completely.

The planned topic is overturning
Shortly before the recording, a message appears that changes everything: Native Instruments has filed for bankruptcy. Small talk suddenly becomes research.

Initial reactions and skepticism
Incredulity, spontaneous assessments and the question: Can this really be true? Why is this message coming right now – and why is it so big and so vague at the same time?

Live Research on Air
Business registers, insolvency notices, news articles, forums and reddit threads are searched together. Different sources, conflicting information and lots of open questions.

What does "insolvency" actually mean?
Classification of German insolvency law: What does this mean specifically for a company? What happens to ongoing operations, servers, employees and customers?

Native Instruments as a Group
A look at the company network: Native Instruments, holding structures and the role of iZotope, Plugin Alliance, Brainworx and other brands.

The fear of contact & the ecosystem
Why contact is more than just a sampler. The importance of third-party libraries – and why eliminating them would threaten the existence of many manufacturers.

Hardware, software and old decisions
Review of previous products, missed opportunities, problematic releases and strategic wrong decisions of recent years.

Corona, market shift and competition
Why other manufacturers have benefited – and Native Instruments may not. Pricing strategies, entry-level ecosystems and changing user behaviour.

Speculation about buyers and dismantling
Who could take over which parts? Contact, tractor, synths, DJ - and why some buyers would be a nightmare.

Fake news or industry quakes?
Doubts about reporting, journalistic diligence, and trying to separate facts from rumors.

The turn at the end
Further research brings new indications – the insolvency seems to be confirmed. The issue is not over, it is just beginning.