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00:00 - 0:00:19 [Music]
0:00:19 – 0:00:21 Rectal digital
0:00:21 – 0:00:24 Hello and welcome to Rektal Digital.
0:00:24 – 0:00:28 And we have a long-awaited guest.
0:00:28 – 0:00:38 guest. You asked, we looked and here she is. Hello to Lina. Hello, good evening. Hello
0:00:38 – 0:00:52 Sarah. Hello Lina, hello Sascha. Oh, that's so sweet. Yes, we love each other. Wouldn't you have
0:00:52 – 0:00:56 Thought a few weeks ago. No, so a few weeks ago I definitely wouldn't have thought,
0:00:56 – 0:01:02 I'm going to sit down with you two here. It's unbelievable!
0:01:02 – 0:01:07 Yes, we were also very surprised.
0:01:07 – 0:01:15 Yes, and for the viewers who have not followed this story here and not so in the
0:01:15 – 0:01:20 Maybe we should start from the beginning and maybe from the beginning.
0:01:20 – 0:01:26 Viewers explain how we even got to know each other and what was so between us.
0:01:26 – 0:01:28 Who wants to start?
0:01:28 – 0:01:39 It was the case that we had followed Kalenta Wollny, first on TikTok and on Instagram.
0:01:39 – 0:01:41 For months.
0:01:41 – 0:01:47 For months and in fact I was even Team Kalenta at the beginning,
0:01:47 – 0:01:56 I felt sorry for her past. And I thought you had to support that. And
0:01:56 – 0:02:01 then we had just started to see the content of her and at some point Frank
0:02:01 – 0:02:09 Battermann showed up and she started working with him. And there were videos
0:02:09 – 0:02:17 published. And as part of that, they got to know him and didn't find him now.
0:02:17 – 0:02:26 particularly sympathetic and then by a coincidence, we have seen then quasi a video,
0:02:26 – 0:02:32 where the Lina was in a livestream with the Frank. And there you had, I think,
0:02:32 – 0:02:34 Talk about the Wollnies, if I remember correctly.
0:02:34 – 0:02:43 Yes, you have been featured as an expert on the Wollny family and child protection.
0:02:43 – 0:02:50 Yeah, so now I have to laugh about it. So it was correction, it wasn't a livestream,
0:02:50 – 0:02:58 It was a recording. About this recording, which was then uploaded, there you are
0:02:58 – 0:03:08 became aware of me. This recording was made through a spontaneous action. I had
0:03:08 – 0:03:14 The calendar woolny theme had been tracked on YouTube. It started me sometime
0:03:14 – 0:03:22 Last year, YouTube asked me to watch these videos. I always have
0:03:22 – 0:03:28 I watched the Wollnys. So since I was little, I've been watching the Wollnys. I also have the Wollnys.
0:03:28 – 0:03:36 I looked with my mom and we always celebrated Silvia Wollny very much. I have
0:03:36 – 0:03:43 I saw Frank's and Glenter's interviews and was very, very shocked.
0:03:43 – 0:03:49 Instagram Frank followed and wrote to him again and again when new video online
0:03:49 – 0:03:56 I came and at some point I asked him spontaneously. It was also in the video
0:03:56 – 0:04:08 It was also about Mike Zees. Also in the video was Mike Zees.
0:04:08 – 0:04:16 With him, with Frank a little bit up-to-date. He also asked me if I could watch the videos.
0:04:16 – 0:04:23 When I watched Mike Zees, I said no, I just watched the videos.
0:04:23 – 0:04:31 Look at Kelenta. And then I just asked him spontaneously, you, when you're there
0:04:31 – 0:04:38 Make a reaction video on YouTube, I'd like to be there. And then he has,
0:04:38 – 0:04:44 that was in the morning, he said to me, we can do, we can do immediately today and
0:04:44 – 0:04:52 He said it was 9:00 a.m. and we'll be there at 11:00 a.m. And at the same time has
0:04:52 – 0:05:00 He then pointed me to Trash Time for the first time, to the channel on YouTube and
0:05:00 – 0:05:09 sent me two links from two podcasts of hers, which I me before we record,
0:05:09 – 0:05:19 Please listen. I had no idea who that was and that was a video.
0:05:19 – 0:05:25 This was an interview she had with someone and I think the other one was once.
0:05:25 – 0:05:31 A former viewer of Frank, with whom she conducted the interview. So, and there I was
0:05:31 – 0:05:38 At first I was so shocked by the way she articulated herself.
0:05:38 – 0:05:45 So I was just completely shocked, because I didn't know something like that, that even online on
0:05:45 – 0:05:47 YouTube has such videos.
0:05:47 – 0:05:52 I've never had any contact with YouTube before.
0:05:52 – 0:05:57 I once saw something, if I wanted to know something, how something works,
0:05:57 – 0:06:00 But before that, I didn't have the points of contact.
0:06:00 – 0:06:10 And then we started recording at 11 o'clock and I was excited and that's how it came about.
0:06:10 – 0:06:13 So to speak, right?
0:06:13 – 0:06:22 Exactly, so to speak. Because that's how it all came about, that I said 10,000 times, so to speak,
0:06:22 – 0:06:28 I can't watch the video anymore because it makes me aggressive. Complete.
0:06:28 – 0:06:31 I can't even listen to that anymore.
0:06:31 – 0:06:36 And yeah, that's how you became aware of me.
0:06:36 – 0:06:44 Exactly. And especially, I'm also a Wollny fan, I think we already had,
0:06:44 – 0:06:48 Or at least you've heard that in the other podcast formats.
0:06:48 – 0:06:57 I've been looking at the Wollnys since childhood and I'm also Team Silvia Wollny.
0:06:57 – 0:07:06 In any case, on that day I was so displeased that there was just such information
0:07:06 – 0:07:07 Missed.
0:07:07 – 0:07:15 And since I do, I say Frank didn't like it anyway and also the appearance of
0:07:15 – 0:07:23 he and then saw that you were there as a guest and made a format with him
0:07:23 – 0:07:30 and I saw that you were presented as an expert, but then I think you
0:07:30 – 0:07:36 after so much information may have been omitted, even as far as family members are concerned,
0:07:36 – 0:07:45 It really bothered me a lot, including the way this recording was done.
0:07:45 – 0:07:51 And that was the reason we actually took the occasion, so even this episode,
0:07:51 – 0:07:59 We recorded a podcast. Right after that. Yeah, so that's the way it is
0:07:59 – 0:08:08 this way of thinking from social media that once you have a certain number of followers, I for example
0:08:08 – 0:08:14 Now on Instagram, people really think you're big, even though you're not.
0:08:14 – 0:08:22 And I think or I assume that a Frank also thought in the moment,
0:08:22 – 0:08:32 it has reach, it could well bring click numbers for me. Without,
0:08:32 – 0:08:39 I thought it was negative, but that's how I thought it was.
0:08:39 – 0:08:43 Oh, she has a few followers on Instagram, there I have someone again, there I can
0:08:43 – 0:08:51 Generate a bit of click numbers again. And so he has, I think, in the
0:08:51 – 0:08:55 Teaser said, here's an expert. So I didn't see it that way. I have
0:08:55 – 0:09:01 Never recorded a YouTube video with anyone before. I had no idea about YouTube or
0:09:01 – 0:09:09 from this YouTuber scene or from journalism on YouTube. I had no idea. So I was
0:09:09 – 0:09:14 just a viewer who has been following his content for a few weeks and
0:09:14 – 0:09:20 I just wanted to be there. In hindsight, I mean, that can
0:09:20 – 0:09:27 I also like to say again on the podcast, I'm sorry that we criticize you so sharply
0:09:27 – 0:09:34 have. Especially me, because I also cut out pretty nasty tips one or the other time
0:09:34 – 0:09:43 I am against you, even with the aim of provoking you. In hindsight, it does me a lot
0:09:43 – 0:09:49 I'm sorry. I think we would have met differently, as we do now.
0:09:49 – 0:09:54 If I met him later, I would never have done that. Especially in
0:09:54 – 0:10:02 Considering that it was also your very first YouTube video, where you were in a recording with
0:10:02 – 0:10:08 Someone else was and in hindsight I'm just mega sorry, because we just didn't do all this
0:10:08 – 0:10:15 knew and it was all so funny in the video that we just played it out against you
0:10:15 – 0:10:23 have. Yes, that was just this typical Frank-Wattermann show, as he always does,
0:10:23 – 0:10:35 But I don't want to say that as negative. That's his way of designing his content. That's how he is.
0:10:35 – 0:10:43 And in the beginning I got what they were so … So it was … I don't know anymore when that was exactly.
0:10:43 – 0:10:47 You said you had this first podcast episode of ….
0:10:47 – 0:10:49 The television inconvenience.
0:10:49 – 0:10:59 Exactly, that's where it was recorded. I remember Frank telling me this and saying that I'm going to be discussed.
0:10:59 – 0:11:05 And I thought, what are they for? Where did they come from, please?
0:11:05 – 0:11:13 What are these no names? I always say when I get annoyed, when someone says something about me, I always say, what are those no names?
0:11:13 – 0:11:22 That's a nice name. I mean, so H2O2 and so on is quite provocative.
0:11:22 – 0:11:30 I think H2O2 is funny now. That's right for me, H2O2, seriously.
0:11:30 – 0:11:38 I never say I'm not the smartest. I always say, be smart, be stupid.
0:11:38 – 0:11:39 Yes, that's true, that's true.
0:11:39 – 0:11:46 I always say. And a lot is yes, when you do social media, a lot is also provocation, staging.
0:11:46 – 0:11:48 Show, big show, yeah.
0:11:48 – 0:12:00 Exactly, very big show. Therefore, you are not the only people in this world with whom I have been criticized or have been criticized in the past.
0:12:00 – 0:12:08 Especially with women, because of my social media activity I don't get so well.
0:12:08 – 0:12:17 There's always this thing that women often say when they see me, when they look at my content, what kind of arrogant is that?
0:12:17 – 0:12:19 They always think I'm arrogant.
0:12:19 – 0:12:23 This is such an example.
0:12:23 – 0:12:30 Yes, and then stop all these reductions on appearance, on hydrogen, and so on.
0:12:30 – 0:12:34 These are the points of attack you have.
0:12:34 – 0:12:41 I don't remember, there's this one post I made.
0:12:41 – 0:12:48 Trash Time, now, oh sorry, now I've said Trash Time, I can't say that.
0:12:48 – 0:12:52 I mean trash time, sorry.
0:12:52 – 0:12:55 Because she doesn't like it when you pull that into the cute.
0:12:55 – 0:13:00 Now I'm out for a minute.
0:13:00 – 0:13:02 Did you see the post from her?
0:13:02 – 0:13:04 Exactly, exactly.
0:13:04 – 0:13:10 Where I had made this post, where I had once been so extreme about you, Sascha.
0:13:10 – 0:13:20 In a post where a lot of people understood, I ask my community to report you to the nursing fund.
0:13:20 – 0:13:29 And I can't tell you, I've already told you in private, why, so what?
0:13:29 – 0:13:34 It made me so angry, but I was extremely excited about you that day. I know
0:13:34 – 0:13:39 But not even if it was because of some podcast or anything else that played to me.
0:13:39 – 0:13:45 I was so pissed off, I thought I'd get out of there. And I was
0:13:45 – 0:13:55 Right now, I'm trying to show you what kind of power I have. In this sense,
0:13:55 – 0:14:05 Now watch who you're messing with here because I have contacts with authorities and can
0:14:05 – 0:14:12 Or even if I see a social fraud, I have to report it. Now,
0:14:12 – 0:14:17 Today I know, of course, that was shit what I did there and I'm doing to you
0:14:17 – 0:14:24 Certainly not to blame such a thing, quite, quite, certainly not. It was just out of anger.
0:14:24 – 0:14:29 But I didn't want to ask anyone to tell you now or you, Sasha,
0:14:29 – 0:14:34 in person somewhere so that the medical service can go back to you after
0:14:34 – 0:14:37 Home comes and you are examined again and something is taken away from you.
0:14:37 – 0:14:44 I was just pissed off and wanted to get something out of it to show, fit on her two here,
0:14:44 – 0:14:47 What kind of power I have, I want to tell you.
0:14:47 – 0:14:49 That was it at the moment.
0:14:49 – 0:14:51 Today I really regret it deeply.
0:14:51 – 0:14:55 That's the problem with range responsibility.
0:14:55 – 0:15:02 You always have a few people with you, who then take this literally and only around you a
0:15:02 – 0:15:09 To do what is pleasing, they then stop doing these actions, these ones being asked to be mine.
0:15:09 – 0:15:15 So I'm really, really, really, very, very, very, very, very sorry.
0:15:15 – 0:15:17 We like that too.
0:15:17 – 0:15:23 I mean, as I said, we had mentioned you in advance and provoked you with the
0:15:23 – 0:15:25 Podcasts. So that didn't come by chance.
0:15:25 – 0:15:31 Accordingly, it is understandable that something happened, that it became so violent.
0:15:31 – 0:15:33 We didn't expect that.
0:15:33 – 0:15:37 But then again there was ignition for the further podcast episode,
0:15:37 – 0:15:42 Because from that moment on, I'm honest, you were such a red scarf for me.
0:15:42 – 0:15:47 I hated you and thought, what kind of cow is that?
0:15:47 – 0:15:49 And I don't mean that now.
0:15:49 – 0:15:55 Why does she exaggerate so much and resort to such means,
0:15:55 – 0:16:01 They are deeply intrusive and existentially threatening.
0:16:01 – 0:16:09 And so at that moment I really thought, man, is that a stupid cow, how can you be so vicious?
0:16:09 – 0:16:10 I mean today in retrospect …
0:16:10 – 0:16:13 I was bad at that moment, you're right.
0:16:13 – 0:16:19 I was completely vicious the moment I posted this. That's true.
0:16:19 – 0:16:24 Yes, and I mean, after that I was mischievous again or we mischievous.
0:16:24 – 0:16:28 But I always say I do because I can only start from what I say.
0:16:28 – 0:16:35 As I said, it wasn't all that good that we had done.
0:16:35 – 0:16:39 But then, at some point, it came to the point,
0:16:39 – 0:16:43 That you contacted us a few weeks ago.
0:16:43 – 0:16:47 Yeah, yeah, that was it.
0:16:48 – 0:16:57 I think that should have been the penultimate Flattermann file, where I was then again thematized.
0:16:57 – 0:17:08 There came a point with me or was reached a point where Sascha said what at the beginning regarding
0:17:08 – 0:17:17 "I constantly put my profile on public too private, public and private," which was also true.
0:17:17 – 0:17:22 And Sascha also told me why he believes, why I do that.
0:17:22 – 0:17:28 It wasn't about what he said, why he thought I was doing it.
0:17:28 – 0:17:36 But at that moment I was triggered, because then I was reminded again,
0:17:36 – 0:17:41 Why I really did this, the weeks before, what's really behind it.
0:17:41 – 0:17:57 And at that moment I decided for myself, I'm going to unblock you and I'm going to get in touch with you and try to talk to you about it.
0:17:57 – 0:18:06 Because I think if I hadn't done that, I think I would have completely disappeared from Instagram at some point.
0:18:06 – 0:18:20 I was just wondering why someone who has such an influencer career is torpedoing his career.
0:18:20 – 0:18:28 I had said the same thing. How can you drive your career against the wall by putting your profiles on private?
0:18:28 – 0:18:34 Exactly, that's what you said. You are absolutely right in what you say.
0:18:34 – 0:18:41 So what you said is right. It sabotages your career.
0:18:41 – 0:18:47 And then I wrote to you and for the first time, Sascha, you made me wait forever.
0:18:47 – 0:18:49 You gave me … for hours
0:18:49 – 0:18:52 I didn't see that.
0:18:52 – 0:18:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So first the Sasha didn't read my message.
0:18:57 – 0:19:02 So, in the evening, I think you uploaded a podcast to YouTube.
0:19:02 – 0:19:03 What did Lina do?
0:19:03 – 0:19:07 She just commented on it with her real account.
0:19:07 – 0:19:08 I wrote to you.
0:19:08 – 0:19:10 Look in your mailbox.
0:19:10 – 0:19:15 And then you finally read it and you answered me.
0:19:15 – 0:19:21 Like I said, I've had Instagram for ages.
0:19:21 – 0:19:23 Instagram was a real photo app.
0:19:23 – 0:19:28 I've never done much, except for advertising.
0:19:28 – 0:19:31 Podcasts and so on.
0:19:31 – 0:19:35 One point I swear by all that is sacred to me,
0:19:35 – 0:19:39 that until now we had no knowledge of your message,
0:19:39 – 0:19:43 He wondered why there was a comment.
0:19:43 – 0:19:45 With a message from you.
0:19:45 – 0:19:48 And then he checked Instagram first.
0:19:48 – 0:19:54 This ends up in this message request folder and we had set up Instagram like this,
0:19:54 – 0:19:59 Non-followers can't write anything.
0:19:59 – 0:20:01 And that just disappears into another folder.
0:20:01 – 0:20:06 We really do have a lot of people writing to us.
0:20:06 – 0:20:08 And we just didn't see it.
0:20:08 – 0:20:10 But then we saw it.
0:20:10 – 0:20:12 I have to agree with Sasha.
0:20:12 – 0:20:16 We had a pretty stupid experience, and then we went there.
0:20:16 – 0:20:21 and have made all our profiles quite dense,
0:20:21 – 0:20:23 We can no longer be contacted.
0:20:23 – 0:20:29 Yes, and then we started talking like that.
0:20:29 – 0:20:33 And I have, so I'll just tell you both,
0:20:33 – 0:20:36 Because Sarah, you have no secrets from each other
0:20:36 – 0:20:40 Then I tried to explain to you.
0:20:40 – 0:20:45 also in relation to this my profile publicly on private,
0:20:45 – 0:20:51 What's behind it. Yes, that was the first time the communication was very careful and very polite.
0:20:51 – 0:20:59 Very careful how you express yourself and I had also been unsure, but I thought,
0:20:59 – 0:21:05 I can't lose anything. Yes, but so do we. I mean, what does the Batamann now want to rejoice from
0:21:05 – 0:21:13 us? Yes, we had thought, what intrigue is spun now? Why is she writing to us? What
0:21:13 – 0:21:14 What's in the bush?
0:21:14 – 0:21:15 That's what we thought.
0:21:15 – 0:21:21 Frank, he never knew I had contacted you.
0:21:21 – 0:21:24 So he didn't know.
0:21:24 – 0:21:30 He had it then, I had, he knows, so he knows I'm good with you now
0:21:30 – 0:21:31 A week ago, I think.
0:21:31 – 0:21:35 Did I tell him via WhatsApp, from a week I believe approx.
0:21:35 – 0:21:41 Before, he didn't know that I was in contact with you now,
0:21:41 – 0:21:48 'Cause it's because I've gotten in touch with you, it has nothing to do with him,
0:21:48 – 0:21:53 but with the topic that I am repeatedly thematized in the Flattermann file.
0:21:53 – 0:21:57 That's what I was all about.
0:21:57 – 0:22:04 So I wasn't trying to get in touch with you as a Frank proponent, I was trying to get in touch with you.
0:22:04 – 0:22:10 As far as I'm concerned, because I'm always mentioned in the Flattermann file.
0:22:10 – 0:22:11 That's what I was all about.
0:22:11 – 0:22:15 You communicated and explained that well.
0:22:15 – 0:22:18 And then we continued to talk,
0:22:18 – 0:22:23 After we have promised each other that we will stop talking about each other.
0:22:23 – 0:22:27 Yeah, and then I had a shot.
0:22:27 – 0:22:31 So I had shit at the beginning, are they really sticking to it?
0:22:31 – 0:22:38 And then came another escalation post from Trashtime,
0:22:38 – 0:22:50 where suddenly something stood with a middle finger in the camera and then stood Lina, that was some YouTube comment with her.
0:22:50 – 0:22:55 And Lina, I don't know what, suddenly has this middle finger theme.
0:22:55 – 0:23:02 And then you and Trash Time announced that you're doing a podcast together.
0:23:02 – 0:23:05 Or you three make one, that's how it was, I think, Sascha.
0:23:05 – 0:23:07 Somehow, yes.
0:23:07 – 0:23:12 And then I immediately, five minutes later, got a WhatsApp from Frank.
0:23:12 – 0:23:18 "Have you heard yet? They're doing a podcast because of that comment.
0:23:18 – 0:23:26 And then I have Frank, so I thought, okay, I had already agreed with you that we no longer deal with each other.
0:23:26 – 0:23:28 That was relatively fast.
0:23:28 – 0:23:30 We'd already figured that out.
0:23:30 – 0:23:34 Then I thought, okay, I have to think carefully about what I say in the voice message.
0:23:34 – 0:23:44 And then I said, Frank, I have to wait until Saturday, I think it was, until the podcast is online, only then can I say something about it.
0:23:44 – 0:23:52 And that's all I told him. And then it went online on Saturday and I realized that you really didn't talk about me.
0:23:52 – 0:24:00 Yes, we had also told Sabrina, Trish Time, that we had agreed and that we no longer addressed the issue.
0:24:00 – 0:24:06 She didn't know anything about it because we hadn't talked about it specifically, but we said,
0:24:06 – 0:24:11 we are now so far good with Lina that we just no longer thematize ourselves and so she was
0:24:11 – 0:24:18 I agree with you when we did the podcast. Exactly, exactly and so it was then
0:24:18 – 0:24:24 And then, and again, we went into more intense conversations. I have someone today too
0:24:24 – 0:24:29 A message I wrote on Instagram today, what about me?
0:24:29 – 0:24:36 I wouldn't agree that I mean now, I'm good with you now because I've been with you a few times.
0:24:36 – 0:24:42 If you had been on the phone, someone wrote to me today. Then I think again,
0:24:42 – 0:24:47 Who says I've talked to you on the phone a couple of times? We're on the phone right now
0:24:47 – 0:24:55 Podcast with each other. - Exactly. - And just before the podcast phoned because of the technology. - Exactly,
0:24:55 – 0:25:00 Because of the technology to make everything work. And I am above all with you Sasha,
0:25:00 – 0:25:10 You always wrote me messages and texts, where I then noticed
0:25:10 – 0:25:16 So, first of all, how sweet you are, that's point number one and point number two,
0:25:16 – 0:25:24 How profound you are. I wouldn't have thought in life, based on whose YouTube videos or
0:25:24 – 0:25:31 The Flatterman file, I never would have thought you were such a profound human being and
0:25:31 – 0:25:39 You can really write these texts. I was totally stunned and amazed and we are then
0:25:39 – 0:25:45 We got into more and more conversations and then realized that what our past
0:25:45 – 0:25:51 We have a lot in common and we are very, very good with each other.
0:25:51 – 0:25:59 can be entertained. I was surprised that so much hydrogen can be so deep.
0:25:59 – 0:26:09 Yes, and Sarah got involved and we actually always have three-way voice messages
0:26:09 – 0:26:17 sent. Yeah, definitely. And all of a sudden, so Sarah, I knew you before only as evil,
0:26:17 – 0:26:26 So as a boss with some distorted voice of no idea what program.
0:26:26 – 0:26:33 And suddenly a dear voice comes along and speaks quite normally, calmly, "Hallolina".
0:26:33 – 0:26:38 So I was totally surprised.
0:26:38 – 0:26:45 Yes, there are, that's what we just meant, it always depends on which formats you make.
0:26:45 – 0:26:53 For example, if you hear a format from us like "Unverblümt", we always talk calmly and dignified.
0:26:53 – 0:27:04 And in the case of the file Flattermann, the juices sometimes cook a bit higher, because you are a bit more impulsive and sharp in the choice of words.
0:27:04 – 0:27:11 And there is still such a bit of the private person and how people are really private.
0:27:11 – 0:27:17 I was also totally surprised with you how intelligent and profound you are and
0:27:17 – 0:27:19 You're not arrogant at all.
0:27:19 – 0:27:20 Really?
0:27:20 – 0:27:23 Would you call me intelligent now?
0:27:23 – 0:27:24 Yeah, meanwhile.
0:27:24 – 0:27:27 Man, yes, definitely.
0:27:27 – 0:27:35 So I think, as I said, we would have gotten to know each other outside of this topic somehow,
0:27:35 – 0:27:39 If we had met in a different way, we would have
0:27:39 – 0:27:45 From the beginning I think very well understood, because you are also a totally dear and nice
0:27:45 – 0:27:46 You are human.
0:27:46 – 0:27:54 Yes, so I am, but you also have me again in the conversations we had on Instagram,
0:27:54 – 0:28:01 Again, everything that concerns your YouTube topic or even the Flattermann file, you
0:28:01 – 0:28:10 You explained it to me in a way that I understood.
0:28:10 – 0:28:16 Because when I watched these YouTube videos, I didn't understand anything.
0:28:16 – 0:28:21 So I didn't understand anything and you got it right again privately
0:28:21 – 0:28:23 Explain it so I understand.
0:28:23 – 0:28:31 And I see it that way today, that's what my friends have actually asked me,
0:28:31 – 0:28:37 They said yes, but they will continue to do this kind of podcast. And
0:28:37 – 0:28:45 Then I said to them today, yes, they will, but I now know the private people,
0:28:45 – 0:28:53 Sascha and Sarah, and I know how they are private. And everything else you do on YouTube
0:28:53 – 0:29:00 And you will do it, I see it as your business. This is your business.
0:29:00 – 0:29:02 Yeah, that's a hobby, right?
0:29:02 – 0:29:07 Yes, hobby. I'm always a bit objective, that's always the business.
0:29:07 – 0:29:13 But that's just because we usually always play a role on rectar parts.
0:29:13 – 0:29:21 And that started, that we also, I think the first episode goes over the Quitgame,
0:29:21 – 0:29:26 We've been looking at the responses to social media.
0:29:26 – 0:29:33 Then we did the jungle camp and the summer special there. And there we have also
0:29:33 – 0:29:40 Reactions from the audience, from social media, then what happened and there we have also
0:29:40 – 0:29:46 Distributed spikes. We did the same with Butterman.
0:29:46 – 0:29:51 Ah, and what I can think of right now, Sascha, I also have some news today,
0:29:51 – 0:30:02 who were there. How can I like someone who only hates and hate speech on YouTube?
0:30:02 – 0:30:07 produced? Against Frank and then I thought, that's not true. So dear people,
0:30:07 – 0:30:13 If you hear this, you have to deal with the videos of Sascha,
0:30:13 – 0:30:19 Because he's done a lot of other things. Even when we're not good yet
0:30:19 – 0:30:25 It was Sasha. I've listened to almost every podcast that's on YouTube.
0:30:25 – 0:30:27 So they're all somehow.
0:30:27 – 0:30:34 So this is such an insider and what I personally, what I personally totally celebrate,
0:30:34 – 0:30:38 That's where you talked about toxic relationships.
0:30:38 – 0:30:39 With the MTC.
0:30:39 – 0:30:44 I don't remember, there was a man there. You really have an hour.
0:30:44 – 0:30:49 I've been talking about toxic relationships for a long time and that's what I found so interesting because
0:30:49 – 0:30:55 That's exactly what interests me. So that was totally great. You make others
0:30:55 – 0:31:03 Things and you're a creative person, just as Sarah is a creative person. Of course you are
0:31:03 – 0:31:08 As far as the Vlatermann file is concerned, over it. – This is stylistic. – I still see it that way.
0:31:08 – 0:31:17 – This is stylistic. – Yes, it is still too much for me, but we have, for example:
0:31:17 – 0:31:25 Even when we decided we liked each other. Okay, I'm still a Frank supporter and
0:31:25 – 0:31:33 You continue to support trash time. And that's just the way it is. That's how you accept it,
0:31:33 – 0:31:41 that it is now so that the Frank has now broken with me or has broken since
0:31:41 – 0:31:49 Yesterday. So I'm still shocked by it. We are, in fact, because I always find,
0:31:49 – 0:31:55 You have to be able to differentiate and distinguish. You never have any private
0:31:55 – 0:32:01 Information from Frank passed on to us. Not at all. On the contrary, you were yourself
0:32:01 – 0:32:07 with us in private building, you still stood behind Frank and also
0:32:07 – 0:32:13 Benevolently speaking of him, which you shouldn't have done, but you were, I say,
0:32:13 – 0:32:23 Faithful to him. And all the sadder I find that actually, because actually you should
0:32:23 – 0:32:30 As an adult, you can make a difference. Just because Frank and we stop
0:32:30 – 0:32:36 Don't like and can't stand, it doesn't mean you're not with the two of us
0:32:36 – 0:32:43 Can you understand? I just don't understand that. I don't think that exists in Frank's world.
0:32:43 – 0:32:51 He's stuck, so I always say, he's already stuck in his, I say now,
0:32:51 – 0:32:57 He's already in prison because I know what he's doing with criticism, so not just criticism.
0:32:57 – 0:33:02 Criticism, but also of violent news gets, he is already so deep in it,
0:33:02 – 0:33:09 He sees an enemy in everyone. And yesterday I saw this post
0:33:09 – 0:33:17 In his Insta story that Sascha should represent what led me to say
0:33:17 – 0:33:23 I want him to pull himself together a little bit, please. This isn't the picture now
0:33:23 – 0:33:34 What has bothered me so much is that in this picture the person was scolding. And this is for
0:33:34 – 0:33:40 I personally cross borders because a person who scolded can't help it.
0:33:40 – 0:33:51 that he scolded. That's true, that's true. And that's for me, a disabled person grabs
0:33:51 – 0:33:59 You don't turn on. So there can be no such thing. I've never seen anything like that from Frank.
0:33:59 – 0:34:07 or seen. Of course, he is angry and angry and has to go through a lot of what he gets.
0:34:07 – 0:34:14 If the picture had been completely normal now, without those squinting eyes, I would have nothing
0:34:14 – 0:34:22 said. But those squinting eyes have triggered me because that discriminates against someone who
0:34:22 – 0:34:30 He has a disability for which he can't do anything. It puts a disabled person in a bad position.
0:34:30 – 0:34:37 It's the light. In general, he is free to criticize us. That's what we do
0:34:37 – 0:34:45 with him as well. But that, too, was what we found to be a pity. He likes to be with us
0:34:45 – 0:34:49 Insult and criticize, but please not on the back of a disability.
0:34:49 – 0:34:57 Exactly, exactly. It was really too much. And I already found the topic,
0:34:57 – 0:35:03 I think he put his middle finger in the camera. I found that difficult.
0:35:03 – 0:35:08 Then I had also said to Sasha, we were already in contact, then I said, Sasha,
0:35:08 – 0:35:13 I would have liked to have said something to him, but then I said, Sasha,
0:35:13 – 0:35:19 In fact, he has to realize that he can't do it himself.
0:35:19 – 0:35:25 Put a middle finger in the camera and what happened? I think he's on the next YouTube.
0:35:25 – 0:35:29 Live again the middle finger held in the camera. No, that was then, I think,
0:35:29 – 0:35:36 Christina had kept the jam so funny and then the middle finger was there.
0:35:36 – 0:35:41 Oh, well, okay. It was subliminally shown almost then.
0:35:41 – 0:35:45 So the glass was picked up very unfortunately, to say so now.
0:35:45 – 0:35:54 You know, in the caricature, I thought that was totally okay.
0:35:54 – 0:36:04 After that, it has been pointed out that it is not okay because of disabled bashing.
0:36:04 – 0:36:10 And then he tried to put it into perspective, because he himself has a severely disabled ID card.
0:36:10 – 0:36:15 And that's how I found the lowest rail.
0:36:15 – 0:36:17 Well, that's not an argument.
0:36:17 – 0:36:23 No, that's according to the motto, who is the greater disabled person?
0:36:23 – 0:36:30 Yeah, yeah, that's it. In the last few weeks, he's been doing a lot of things.
0:36:30 – 0:36:34 That's why I don't know what's going on with Sascha right now.
0:36:34 – 0:36:36 I think it's just going to be so much.
0:36:36 – 0:36:39 Exactly, could be.
0:36:39 – 0:36:41 Well, I can already...
0:36:41 – 0:36:45 So he often throws out such ill-considered things.
0:36:45 – 0:36:47 There was that, too.
0:36:47 – 0:36:58 I mean, I know there's something going on or something going on in court between Frank and Trash Time.
0:36:58 – 0:37:02 Trash Time has created these awards.
0:37:02 – 0:37:03 Yes, yes.
0:37:03 – 0:37:11 And it was already known that it is now in court.
0:37:11 – 0:37:17 And then what shocked me, Sascha, I immediately told you,
0:37:17 – 0:37:26 was that he suddenly advertises in his Insta story that his followers should vote for him,
0:37:26 – 0:37:28 He was voted Bully of the Year.
0:37:28 – 0:37:32 Then I really thought, this was really my thought,
0:37:32 – 0:37:38 Boy, how do you please win a trial in court,
0:37:38 – 0:37:42 where you accuse someone of inciting and bullying you,
0:37:42 – 0:37:49 if you simultaneously advertise in the Insta-Story for the award of this site,
0:37:49 – 0:37:54 Let them nominate you as the bully of the year. You're losing pre-trial.
0:37:54 – 0:37:58 Yes, especially if you consider that in the last livestreams
0:37:58 – 0:38:03 not only we were mathematicized again and again, yes not in everyone, but again and again,
0:38:03 – 0:38:08 But Sabrina, that's trash time, all the time, over and over again.
0:38:08 – 0:38:12 This is tactically completely unwise.
0:38:12 – 0:38:16 I'm starting to wonder what kind of lawyer Frank has.
0:38:16 – 0:38:20 He has to tell his clients that he has to keep his feet still a little bit.
0:38:20 – 0:38:23 He has to stand up if he wants to win in court.
0:38:23 – 0:38:28 The lawyers I know would say something.
0:38:28 – 0:38:40 I don't want to talk about Frank at all. So I still keep him basically …
0:38:40 – 0:38:45 Over the past few weeks, I've noticed that something is wrong. So that sees
0:38:45 – 0:38:51 Sasha has been around since before we got in touch. It's been three or four weeks,
0:38:51 – 0:38:54 Where I've noticed, there's something different about him.
0:38:54 – 0:38:58 So I've already noticed that.
0:38:58 – 0:39:01 You've seen it in the last livestream, as he always does.
0:39:01 – 0:39:04 He looked franticly at the monitors.
0:39:04 – 0:39:08 He sent some messages.
0:39:08 – 0:39:11 What's happening right now, so I noticed it right away.
0:39:11 – 0:39:17 It seems that he is very, very obsessive.
0:39:17 – 0:39:20 It's been behind it for the last few weeks.
0:39:20 – 0:39:25 I don't know if it's because he's gotten a lot of criticism in the last few weeks.
0:39:25 – 0:39:28 It's not just criticism, that's it.
0:39:28 – 0:39:31 He gets really bad news on Instagram.
0:39:31 – 0:39:33 I know that.
0:39:33 – 0:39:37 So they have nothing to do with you now or with trash time.
0:39:37 – 0:39:40 Yeah, so he's getting the worst news.
0:39:40 – 0:39:45 And I mean, I know what that's like when you get this extreme news,
0:39:45 – 0:39:46 Where there is a threat of murder.
0:39:46 – 0:39:48 I know it from my past.
0:39:48 – 0:39:49 It does something to everyone.
0:39:49 – 0:39:52 I've experienced this myself.
0:39:52 – 0:39:57 Everyone deals differently with such things.
0:39:57 – 0:40:02 And unfortunately it seems to me at the moment that he is completely beating around,
0:40:02 – 0:40:04 Because he no longer knows.
0:40:04 – 0:40:07 There is a good example from the past.
0:40:07 – 0:40:10 I mean here Rainer Winkler aka Dragon Lord.
0:40:10 – 0:40:14 If you look at the story and
0:40:14 – 0:40:18 He hated so much on the internet.
0:40:18 – 0:40:25 In the end, he lost his house and his farm.
0:40:25 – 0:40:29 Then the driver's license, then the car.
0:40:29 – 0:40:37 And he's now sitting somewhere in the Saxon province in a hotel in a motorhome apartment
0:40:37 – 0:40:41 and cannot leave the house, because even there he is besieged.
0:40:41 – 0:40:47 And you just see when you're grilling so much hate, that does something to you.
0:40:47 – 0:40:52 At the moment there are some leaks from Discord conversations,
0:40:52 – 0:40:57 You can hear this from the YouTubers "Ofenkäse".
0:40:57 – 0:41:03 If he says something like that, it's so hard what's going on.
0:41:03 – 0:41:09 And people go, they put trackers on his car,
0:41:09 – 0:41:12 they have spy software installed on his laptop,
0:41:12 – 0:41:15 They followed it right and so on.
0:41:15 – 0:41:18 So I can imagine that doing something right with one.
0:41:18 – 0:41:23 And he was so paranoid, the Rainer Winkler,
0:41:23 – 0:41:26 that he himself ignored an e-mail from the police,
0:41:26 – 0:41:30 Because he thought it was a fake email from some haters.
0:41:30 – 0:41:37 It must also be said that they were also pegged to his address at that time,
0:41:37 – 0:41:43 Rainer Winkler was almost annoyed on the Internet.
0:41:43 – 0:41:53 At that time he went, put down his address and said, literally I believe, "Come by, Altschauerberg 8!"
0:41:53 – 0:42:02 And that was the moment when the people went to the dragon's tail, as it was called, in the place
0:42:02 – 0:42:08 And he didn't really have a quiet day anymore, so the police always had to come.
0:42:08 – 0:42:12 People have committed vandalism, have massively stalked him.
0:42:12 – 0:42:18 There were many women who pretended to be his girlfriend,
0:42:18 – 0:42:23 in Discord to sneak in or otherwise, so-called bears,
0:42:23 – 0:42:26 So that you can fool him a little bit, lure him out of the reserve.
0:42:26 – 0:42:31 They really did everything from ordering pizza to swatting
0:42:31 – 0:42:34 systematically destroy these people.
0:42:34 – 0:42:37 And Rainer Winkler always made a mistake.
0:42:37 – 0:42:44 He has always reacted to everything and tried to shoot back and has also provoked very much,
0:42:44 – 0:42:52 That this was absolutely on top and legally absolutely not okay, what the haters did is clear.
0:42:52 – 0:42:59 But the point is also, a pure winkler might have had to pull the tear line several years ago
0:42:59 – 0:43:05 and have the insight, so it goes no further, because at the end of the day he has really lost everything,
0:43:05 – 0:43:11 His parents' house where he lived. Like I said, he's sitting somewhere.
0:43:11 – 0:43:19 Fitter's room. Or there is also an example on TikTok, Aline Bachmann. That's yes
0:43:19 – 0:43:25 It's also an animal drama. That's one person I don't want to pursue. Yes, we
0:43:25 – 0:43:31 They don't follow you either, but you always get to know what's going on. And she has
0:43:31 – 0:43:36 He also has a real thread. It also collapsed in the livestream.
0:43:36 – 0:43:43 And sometimes it escalates. Yes, and I see the same danger with Frank that this
0:43:43 – 0:43:50 It's happening. If he doesn't decide for himself, he's just going to do some things.
0:43:50 – 0:43:55 to distance. Yes, above all. I mean, I can understand, so his original
0:43:55 – 0:44:04 Content was so retro and trash content, but it distributes more and more tips against random
0:44:04 – 0:44:12 People, where he almost pulls over them in many of his episodes, so that he deals with the exaggerated
0:44:12 – 0:44:19 Art doesn't necessarily always make you popular. One is, I'm informing about something and telling something
0:44:19 – 0:44:26 about one thing and the other is, I'm looking for stories and even literally pulling over these
0:44:26 – 0:44:34 Person here. And this ensures that he has also caused great displeasure among people with it,
0:44:34 – 0:44:38 because people have also wondered where the old Frank Wattermann content went,
0:44:38 – 0:44:44 Where's the old TV treasure trove? This has actually happened over time,
0:44:44 – 0:44:54 Since July I have only been in intensive contact with Frank, but the last weeks and months have changed a lot.
0:44:54 – 0:45:01 I had already, before I came into contact with you, held back quite a bit.
0:45:01 – 0:45:08 My first tactic was, if I'm just not in the live chat anymore, then you don't talk to me anymore.
0:45:08 – 0:45:12 It just didn't work, because you picked up some comment again,
0:45:12 – 0:45:18 where I had commented on something and then I had been the subject again.
0:45:18 – 0:45:29 Yeah, what am I supposed to say about that? We don't have much time, but we know
0:45:29 – 0:45:31 How to do research on the Internet.
0:45:31 – 0:45:33 Yeah, you know that, yeah.
0:45:33 – 0:45:50 Yeah, no, I was just amazed at Frank's response to your message now and that had been the way you said you were clean with us now, what did you call that?
0:45:50 – 0:45:51 Close it.
0:45:51 – 0:45:56 Close, close are, exactly, close. He didn't like it very much.
0:45:56 – 0:46:02 No, there he is. So I already have it, Sascha, if I'm honest with myself now,
0:46:02 – 0:46:07 When I wrote to him that I am now close with you, I already thought,
0:46:07 – 0:46:12 It won't be long before he turns away from me. I mean, I always knew,
0:46:12 – 0:46:18 Since I've been there, since July, people have always told me, someday he'll be
0:46:18 – 0:46:22 distance yourself from you. The day will come when he will distance himself.
0:46:22 – 0:46:24 Yeah, they said that, yeah.
0:46:24 – 0:46:29 That's what people have always said and now that I've already written this with the Close
0:46:29 – 0:46:35 from the week, came to me already a huge text and then I thought but, because I then in the chat also
0:46:35 – 0:46:39 I was on the road with him again, it would be okay and yesterday I really
0:46:39 – 0:46:47 I wrote it because of the story, because of the picture. I can read it too, this is now
0:46:47 – 0:46:53 Not your seriousness. Frank, you gotta pull yourself together a little bit. You're taking things out
0:46:53 – 0:46:58 lately. That's what I wrote to him. He reacted to it and was not pleased.
0:46:58 – 0:47:09 about it. Exactly, exactly. And wait, yes, it was like, "Who am I?"
0:47:09 – 0:47:15 so it was very funny, really freezing cold, freezing cold completely, as if I was nobody,
0:47:15 – 0:47:20 Yes, I meant the communication has changed so to speak with Bye-bye.
0:47:20 – 0:47:29 Exactly, I have there again, so he probably still meant why I would rebuke him,
0:47:29 – 0:47:34 but I meant, I do not rebuke him, I only rebuke him for something,
0:47:34 – 0:47:41 I want him to hold back a little bit now. Then came the same
0:47:41 – 0:47:48 Context and then I wrote, you're really spinning through and then there was only Bye Bye.
0:47:48 – 0:47:53 And I just saw, I think I'm now blocked in WhatsApp.
0:47:53 – 0:47:57 I'm still speechless. So really.
0:47:57 – 0:48:02 We did not want to achieve this, because again clearly at the point also for the
0:48:02 – 0:48:10 Buddies watching here. Our goal is not to encapsulate or manipulate Lina.
0:48:10 – 0:48:15 She can have her opinion. She says she thinks our podcast is about it.
0:48:15 – 0:48:22 So rectally digital the file Flattermann. That opinion, you can have it too. And this is
0:48:22 – 0:48:28 Totally okay. Only that you remember this and she also says that she
0:48:28 – 0:48:35 Frank likes as a person personally. We accept that too, and we would never
0:48:35 – 0:48:41 to deny. It has nothing to do with manipulation, folks. That's right, that
0:48:41 – 0:48:46 It's also described to me today, yes. But I came to you and it
0:48:46 – 0:48:51 It was about me, because I was thematized in the file Flattermann. It
0:48:51 – 0:48:54 It was all about me in the first place.
0:48:54 – 0:48:58 You've heard now that you're worried and that we're worried too.
0:48:58 – 0:49:04 I am worried about how he is doing at the moment. And he sees at all
0:49:04 – 0:49:11 Not good? I don't know, maybe there's something we don't know about. I mean,
0:49:11 – 0:49:16 I haven't written so much with him in the last few weeks because I
0:49:16 – 0:49:22 It was somewhere else on YouTube. I can't know, I find it sad,
0:49:22 – 0:49:31 Because I thought I was serious last night, is that serious now? What
0:49:31 – 0:49:39 Did I do everything for you in the background? And how can you be like that to me now? me
0:49:39 – 0:49:45 I'm still shocked, I don't understand. I'm just as speechless and
0:49:45 – 0:49:51 How I talked to Sarah about it, I mean from a certain time Sarah is yes then
0:49:51 – 0:50:00 Yes, even when we are talking. She was just as speechless about it. Yes, because I
0:50:00 – 0:50:05 I thought it's just sad or it's disappointing when you're together.
0:50:05 – 0:50:10 so long, which means long, but stop over a period of a few months intensely
0:50:10 – 0:50:11 had to do.
0:50:11 – 0:50:17 And this person turns his back on you from now on and you're on block,
0:50:17 – 0:50:22 Just because you have expressed your opinion, which you as a friend or acquaintance yes also
0:50:22 – 0:50:28 I can and should do it, so I'd like to do it if I could.
0:50:28 – 0:50:31 that a friend will come up to me and tell me, for example,
0:50:31 – 0:50:37 Sara, this was really shit about what you did. Survive to see if that's right.
0:50:37 – 0:50:41 I would rather be grateful for or think about it.
0:50:41 – 0:50:47 whether I should go back there or at least think about it,
0:50:47 – 0:50:51 What the person told me. But I wouldn't react bitchy
0:50:51 – 0:50:58 And the people who have been by my side for months are simply blocking it.
0:50:58 – 0:51:08 But what I personally also find strange is the way it has been written to me.
0:51:08 – 0:51:17 This way I know, because, so this is actually almost so 1 to 1,
0:51:17 – 0:51:26 It was written by someone else, someone else from the YouTube scene.
0:51:26 – 0:51:36 Great YouTube scene. That, yeah, for what, that's funny. So I,
0:51:36 – 0:51:44 I know this news because I know that in this way.
0:51:44 – 0:51:50 It was written this way, but by someone else. So you know what I mean?
0:51:50 – 0:51:50 Yeah, sure.
0:51:50 – 0:51:53 Could I explain it well now?
0:51:53 – 0:52:00 Yes, they understood that, but you tried to ship around the name.
0:52:00 – 0:52:03 I don't know if I can say the name.
0:52:03 – 0:52:08 Oh, you don't need it. I mean, most people can be halfway
0:52:08 – 0:52:09 Think about who it's about.
0:52:09 – 0:52:14 Yes, I think most people know who this is about.
0:52:14 – 0:52:20 Yeah, that's so difficult. I mean, I know this in my family,
0:52:20 – 0:52:26 that you stop with "I'm following you, I'm blocking you", that you're being punished,
0:52:26 – 0:52:30 When you do things that you don't really like.
0:52:30 – 0:52:33 Yeah, but what did I do, Sasha? Now tell me please,
0:52:33 – 0:52:36 Sascha and Sarah, why I'm so angry.
0:52:36 – 0:52:42 Once you're working with the enemy in quotes now, but I'm not
0:52:42 – 0:52:49 understand that we are enemies because we only talk, we don't write e-mails, we insult
0:52:49 – 0:52:59 Not hard, but only what he does. I don't know why we should be enemies.
0:52:59 – 0:53:02 Or you are the enemy now. I just can't explain it to myself.
0:53:02 – 0:53:13 So I think it's about Frank probably thinking that you'd write us the worst secrets and clothes about him in private, which you don't.
0:53:13 – 0:53:23 Because as I said, I just said that you always portrayed Frank positively and were benevolent to him.
0:53:23 – 0:53:31 We talked about private stories about our past, about your past, about our lives,
0:53:31 – 0:53:35 It has nothing to do with the Frank Butter issue.
0:53:35 – 0:53:44 It may be that he probably thinks I'm going to blow something out of it right now, in front of you.
0:53:44 – 0:53:49 Just because you do it yourself doesn't mean that others do it.
0:53:49 – 0:53:55 I mean, we talk to other people and I never get the idea,
0:53:55 – 0:54:03 There's an insider who tells me what someone told me in a private conversation.
0:54:03 – 0:54:08 Yeah, we're back to the topic where I think it's done. He can't do it anymore.
0:54:08 – 0:54:11 Yeah, and I think that's really worrying.
0:54:11 – 0:54:18 Of course, it could also be the point, not only that you're sitting in quotes with an enemy,
0:54:18 – 0:54:25 but also the realization that you almost no longer hold him by the bar and he so
0:54:25 – 0:54:32 Feels like you're not 100 percent behind him anymore and he just wants to be the authority.
0:54:32 – 0:54:38 Who can't live with it like that, I think. Yeah, well, he's probably clear, too.
0:54:38 – 0:54:44 When he distributes his tips, of course I don't do it online now.
0:54:44 – 0:54:48 I'm going to share more or I can't share everything anymore.
0:54:48 – 0:54:53 I mean, that's why you got a lot of feedback that was pretty negative.
0:54:53 – 0:54:58 Oh, yeah, that was one of those things, Sasha. That's exactly what I told Sasha.
0:54:58 – 0:55:04 So I had myself before I came into contact with you now, yes always such a
0:55:04 – 0:55:09 I had a little more withdrawn and was no longer so active because my followers
0:55:09 – 0:55:21 They also complained to me that they don't like it, that I do so much advertising for
0:55:21 – 0:55:28 Frank, I say. So these were already followers who are with me longer, who are less longer
0:55:28 – 0:55:35 and that I'm starting to get involved with this beef, which is now
0:55:35 – 0:55:41 have Frank and Trashtime together, or have Trashtime and Calendar together, or
0:55:41 – 0:55:47 Frank's pretty much with you guys. My followers didn't like that at all. Da
0:55:47 – 0:55:51 I got news. Where did the positive Lina come from?
0:55:51 – 0:55:53 Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
0:55:53 – 0:55:57 I want them back. Why are you posting any beef?
0:55:57 – 0:56:01 After all, if you look at your content and we've done that extensively,
0:56:01 – 0:56:09 where we could still see all this, then you stood for a positive body positive picture.
0:56:09 – 0:56:11 I have to interrupt for a moment.
0:56:11 – 0:56:14 I don't like the word body positive.
0:56:14 – 0:56:16 Yeah, but that explains it.
0:56:16 – 0:56:23 I know it always says Thrashtime, but Body Positive means to me,
0:56:23 – 0:56:34 I present this in fat online and suggest to people that you should all be fat.
0:56:34 – 0:56:38 It's okay to be fat. This is body positive for me.
0:56:38 – 0:56:41 That is now what has become of it.
0:56:41 – 0:56:47 The origin was that people who are different stand by their bodies.
0:56:47 – 0:56:55 Disabled, overweight or underweight people, all who do not speak these 0.8-15 standards.
0:56:55 – 0:57:00 And that doesn't necessarily mean that you should support the lifestyle,
0:57:00 – 0:57:05 For example, don't know how to eat unhealthy or not eat at all.
0:57:05 – 0:57:12 Yes, and that's what many people do on TikTok, for example. That's why I don't want to. There's really fat
0:57:12 – 0:57:18 People who look like me and then jump over there and eat their cheeseburgers and that
0:57:18 – 0:57:25 Film. And say "great as tasty" and then write as a hashtag or use as a hashtag
0:57:25 – 0:57:34 #bodypositive or someone as overweight as I am, turns up in a TikTok video,
0:57:34 – 0:57:41 in stringtanga, in a top and starts dancing and making the hashtag #body positive.
0:57:41 – 0:57:46 Yes, but in the end they just want to draw attention to a different profile.
0:57:46 – 0:57:55 Yes, on OF. And there are already some lovers who also like BBW, SBBW and so on
0:57:55 – 0:58:01 I like to look at you. There are also fetishes that are outside the norm.
0:58:01 – 0:58:04 I am far from this discussion. I just wanted to say,
0:58:04 – 0:58:06 Your content stands for something else.
0:58:06 – 0:58:15 Yeah, well, I've had one, Sascha, I already had one, Frank. It's always such a
0:58:15 – 0:58:19 Thing. Because many people always say it doesn't come from you now. Where did Lina come from all of a sudden?
0:58:19 – 0:58:25 Why do they mix everywhere? Who is that anyway? It has only been going on since you
0:58:25 – 0:58:30 Frank was in the video. I've taken place before. Yes, you have mainly
0:58:30 – 0:58:35 I have had thousands of followers. So I did then, I don't know the number anymore,
0:58:35 – 0:58:39 But that wasn't too much at the time.
0:58:39 – 0:58:47 I've had more followers before. I am currently at 46,000. I was once scarce
0:58:47 – 0:58:56 to the 70,000. But because of these funny bots profiles I had to get out of there a lot, because
0:58:56 – 0:59:03 It has taken such an excess. And in the past, you've often questioned in your podcasts,
0:59:03 – 0:59:11 What I actually convey to my followers or what added value I have or should have.
0:59:11 – 0:59:19 And there were videos that don't exist anymore, because I just made it complete with the topic
0:59:19 – 0:59:26 I finished and deleted the videos. So I once had, I had
0:59:26 – 0:59:37 There are two real issues or storylines that have made me successful. This was once
0:59:37 – 0:59:48 A storyline that a supposed girlfriend more or less stretched out the guy to me.
0:59:48 – 0:59:55 That was storyline number one. And storyline number two is known to my follower, was Toxibor. This
0:59:55 – 0:59:58 He was a guy who was a bit toxic.
0:59:58 – 1:00:02 And then it went completely steep, this topic.
1:00:02 – 1:00:06 Every day I put out videos and laughed.
1:00:06 – 1:00:09 And then my follower numbers went up again.
1:00:09 – 1:00:13 But at some point these funny bots came along.
1:00:13 – 1:00:19 And then someone told me at some point, I don't know if that's really the case, that
1:00:19 – 1:00:25 It can also buy foreign people or foreign profiles for you followers.
1:00:25 – 1:00:26 Will you get them automatically?
1:00:26 – 1:00:27 You can.
1:00:27 – 1:00:32 There are plenty of sites on the internet where you can buy followers and you can do any of them.
1:00:32 – 1:00:33 Specify profile.
1:00:33 – 1:00:41 They do it because there's an opinion that Twitch, Instagram and so on,
1:00:41 – 1:00:48 TikTok notice that the subscriber numbers are being increased and so would
1:00:48 – 1:00:50 The profile will be blocked.
1:00:50 – 1:00:56 Yes, this is usually the goal when you offer other people strangers.
1:00:56 – 1:01:03 It happened to me at Twitch back then, but thank God I wasn't locked up.
1:01:03 – 1:01:09 Also a reason that I would like to address again now, why I put you so into my
1:01:09 – 1:01:16 I have closed my heart, is, we have this threesome constellation, also with the voice messages,
1:01:16 – 1:01:22 and how I realized what a great communication you have with each other and
1:01:22 – 1:01:30 What a great relationship you have with each other. I find that so admirable. You are
1:01:30 – 1:01:37 such a thing from on an equal footing and also Sarah, how self-sacrificing and loving they are around you
1:01:37 – 1:01:43 Just cares. That's easy, I don't think you've been looking, but you've found and
1:01:43 – 1:01:45 You have a very, very nice relationship.
1:01:45 – 1:01:48 I always say she found me.
1:01:48 – 1:01:56 Yes, you have to carry it out to people in such a way that people don't always
1:01:56 – 1:02:05 think you only get angry because you are so dear people and you have so many great things
1:02:05 – 1:02:08 In you, too, and you are very creative people.
1:02:08 – 1:02:10 I have to say that now.
1:02:10 – 1:02:21 For example, yesterday you did, or I think Sarah did, this beer story, I don't know who that one of you is.
1:02:21 – 1:02:30 Sarah took the pictures, so we had discussed what we needed, so Sarah took the pictures, so rammed.
1:02:30 – 1:02:42 And then we had just thought about a storyline, which is of course the story that Frank had just posted in the morning with his morning walk and the electrical failure.
1:02:42 – 1:02:46 And then we made a story out of it, and then we recorded it.
1:02:46 – 1:02:49 Yeah, and Sarah worked it all out.
1:02:49 – 1:02:54 Yes, cut, edit the voices and so on. I like to do that.
1:02:54 – 1:03:00 I would have laughed if the voice had been different.
1:03:00 – 1:03:08 Wait, how would you like the voice? Because I don't have the proversion, but I can do a little bit with the voice.
1:03:08 – 1:03:23 Yes, so you have to put this more in a comedy-like tuning because it comes, that tuning comes across maliciously, evil.
1:03:23 – 1:03:31 It's like a vicious satire, but it's supposed to be a funny satire that people laugh about.
1:03:31 – 1:03:38 And you mean it would be funnier if a funnier voice was chosen?
1:03:38 – 1:03:41 Yeah, maybe like "Shipp and Schepp" or something.
1:03:41 – 1:03:44 Yeah, maybe. I need to see if we can do something like that.
1:03:44 – 1:03:46 That's a good idea.
1:03:46 – 1:03:50 Then I'm 100 percent satisfied and then I like to share it.
1:03:50 – 1:03:55 You, you don't have to share this because, as I said, but I'm happy to accept the suggestion.
1:03:55 – 1:04:00 Of course, you can always share what you want to share, but not because you have to share something.
1:04:00 – 1:04:08 Yes, of course, because I think if something makes me laugh, it automatically makes my followers laugh.
1:04:08 – 1:04:10 Then, of course, I'll share it.
1:04:10 – 1:04:14 Yes, but thank you for the suggestion.
1:04:14 – 1:04:16 I'm trying to figure it out if I can get it done.
1:04:16 – 1:04:24 Can you give me some feedback on the next comic book series that follows?
1:04:24 – 1:04:31 Because the idea is just so cool. That's just such a blast that you're so creative.
1:04:31 – 1:04:35 It just has to be a little bit more, so I'm just saying my opinion,
1:04:35 – 1:04:40 It has to be used a little differently, your potential.
1:04:40 – 1:04:45 And that's where we're fucking hard. That's the way it is.
1:04:45 – 1:04:52 You are very creative people and I have always told you, Sascha, that you have heard in the past,
1:04:52 – 1:04:57 I say that you have a very pleasant voice and as a podcaster you are great with your voice.
1:04:57 – 1:05:00 You can listen to them for hours while they talk.
1:05:00 – 1:05:05 Yeah, all right. Now I'm turning red.
1:05:05 – 1:05:09 For you, the right topics need the click numbers as well.
1:05:09 – 1:05:13 For example, if you're talking about toxic relationships.
1:05:13 – 1:05:17 Yes, I mean, these are also the projects, these are projects to the heart.
1:05:17 – 1:05:25 Unfortunately, the colleague with whom I stop is always very much prevented and has little time.
1:05:25 – 1:05:27 I'd like to do more.
1:05:27 – 1:05:34 It's always hard to find good podcast partners for where you need to be, that has to be chemistry, right?
1:05:34 – 1:05:35 That's a conversation.
1:05:35 – 1:05:41 I'm also doing another podcast, that's the rehearsal podcast, where it's all about music production, so for hobbyists.
1:05:41 – 1:05:47 And that's where such a team of three people has developed and that matches. That just fits.
1:05:47 – 1:05:52 But I also think it's good, Sascha, that you talk about this as a man,
1:05:52 – 1:05:59 I honestly only know this from women. So on TikTok and Instagram I only know women,
1:05:59 – 1:06:04 Toxic relationships or even, I think you already have narcissism or narcissism.
1:06:04 – 1:06:08 Something like that, I think, has already been said. I only know women who do that. And I
1:06:08 – 1:06:12 I think it's good that you mathematicize this as a man with another man.
1:06:12 – 1:06:18 I think that's also one of the reasons why I find it so interesting how you mathematicize something like this as a man.
1:06:18 – 1:06:24 Yes, that's why I said yes, you have to find someone who is willing and able to talk about it.
1:06:24 – 1:06:31 And with the MTC it works wonderfully. As I said, he has very little time.
1:06:31 – 1:06:34 I would like to participate more.
1:06:34 – 1:06:39 But you definitely don't lack ideas.
1:06:39 – 1:06:44 I would also like to do something with Sarah more often, which is far away from the Arkte Flattermann.
1:06:44 – 1:06:51 But everyday life here at home consumes a lot of time and stops her job.
1:06:51 – 1:06:53 Hm.
1:06:53 – 1:07:02 Yes, and also what you usually have to do so privately and also, what do I mean, I also want to spend my free time not only with podcasts.
1:07:02 – 1:07:08 For Sascha, podcasting is a much bigger hobby and heart project as it is for me.
1:07:08 – 1:07:17 I find it interesting, but I also have other hobbies and I want to deal with it holistically
1:07:17 – 1:07:20 And don't just focus on one topic right now.
1:07:20 – 1:07:26 Or yes, that would take the fun out of it.
1:07:26 – 1:07:28 Yes, because then it becomes a must.
1:07:28 – 1:07:35 And then that's how they are, you want to watch a movie or a series and things like that together.
1:07:35 – 1:07:39 Podcasting isn't that important.
1:07:39 – 1:07:46 Yes, I mean, you can also be you during the day, yes, I think, then most of the time alone.
1:07:46 – 1:07:49 You can make time for yourself like that.
1:07:49 – 1:07:57 Of course, if Sarah is there, you should not only do podcasts, but other nice things.
1:07:57 – 1:08:06 And stop, so I find your mindset, your togetherness, your communication completely on an equal footing.
1:08:06 – 1:08:10 So I haven't seen it in a long time, really not how you talk to each other, how you deal with each other.
1:08:10 – 1:08:15 That's how I would imagine a relationship if I had one.
1:08:15 – 1:08:23 Yes, but I also had to kiss some frogs until I found my princess.
1:08:23 – 1:08:26 And Sarah is already a little freak, but in a positive sense.
1:08:26 – 1:08:29 Yeah, that's totally awesome, really. That's really horny.
1:08:29 – 1:08:34 So if you have a partner who has so much creativity
1:08:34 – 1:08:37 You can also get excited about what you're doing.
1:08:37 – 1:08:41 And that's important to me when you're on social media.
1:08:41 – 1:08:44 Or other things on the internet.
1:08:44 – 1:08:49 You need someone who is interested in it or who understands it.
1:08:49 – 1:08:52 If you have someone, you have to do it again.
1:08:52 – 1:08:55 Who are you on the phone with now?
1:08:55 – 1:08:56 You don't need that.
1:08:56 – 1:08:57 And I've had that before.
1:08:57 – 1:08:59 It's not with you, yeah.
1:08:59 – 1:08:59 No, no.
1:08:59 – 1:09:01 And I can also say it openly,
1:09:01 – 1:09:04 I write mainly with women.
1:09:04 – 1:09:08 I think you're a woman's understander.
1:09:08 – 1:09:10 That's what I told you.
1:09:10 – 1:09:12 Yeah, you already told me that, but...
1:09:12 – 1:09:14 You're such a buddy, too.
1:09:14 – 1:09:17 I think it's always a bit negative.
1:09:17 – 1:09:21 Women understander, yes, he wants only with his stitch to the Schlüppis.
1:09:21 – 1:09:23 No, that's not how I see it.
1:09:23 – 1:09:25 No, you're such a guy.
1:09:25 – 1:09:29 So I would if I met some guy now,
1:09:29 – 1:09:32 If I needed some advice, I'd be the first to talk to you.
1:09:32 – 1:09:34 Because I don't have male friends,
1:09:34 – 1:09:37 Only female friends.
1:09:37 – 1:09:40 If I needed advice, I'd always come to you by now.
1:09:40 – 1:09:43 Tell me if it's toxic, narcissistic or anything.
1:09:43 – 1:09:46 Yeah, say the opinion.
1:09:46 – 1:09:48 Exactly, give your opinion on it.
1:09:48 – 1:09:49 Then I'd ask you.
1:09:49 – 1:09:52 Then you are now my first point of contact for this.
1:09:52 – 1:09:54 I like to do that too.
1:09:54 – 1:09:57 So now you have me both, Sarah and Sascha, on the cheek.
1:09:57 – 1:09:59 You won't get rid of me.
1:09:59 – 1:10:01 Yeah, that's not bad either.
1:10:01 – 1:10:03 That's really not bad.
1:10:03 – 1:10:05 You're a nice person.
1:10:05 – 1:10:09 With us it was better at second glance.
1:10:09 – 1:10:11 Definitely.
1:10:11 – 1:10:13 You said that nicely now.
1:10:13 – 1:10:15 Yes, yes.
1:10:15 – 1:10:19 I think that's a good point where we can break up,
1:10:19 – 1:10:22 We can, before we even more consecrate ourselves to each other.
1:10:22 – 1:10:26 Let's see what happens in the comments.
1:10:26 – 1:10:28 That should be interesting, yes.
1:10:28 – 1:10:31 So I'm really curious.
1:10:31 – 1:10:37 You may feel compelled to hyp, comment, subscribe.
1:10:37 – 1:10:40 Don't forget to go to Lina's.
1:10:40 – 1:10:42 Exactly.
1:10:42 – 1:10:46 Leave love with Lina and we really mean love.
1:10:46 – 1:10:52 You are welcome to write the review in our comments. Criticism, of course, is also welcome.
1:10:52 – 1:11:03 And try to look at the whole thing from the point of view of a neutral person and not on the side per sound radio or per Batterman,
1:11:03 – 1:11:07 It's a neutral point when you hear the story.
1:11:07 – 1:11:12 Because you always forget, there is an outside, what you notice,
1:11:12 – 1:11:16 And there is another side that you may not have noticed.
1:11:16 – 1:11:21 And you always have to look at a medal from different sides,
1:11:21 – 1:11:23 to get a holistic picture.
1:11:23 – 1:11:26 And you don't know what's going on internally,
1:11:26 – 1:11:29 because you only know us from videos
1:11:29 – 1:11:33 You don't even know what's going on in the background.
1:11:33 – 1:11:36 or how people are in the background,
1:11:36 – 1:11:39 If you judge, we don't know about you.
1:11:39 – 1:11:40 That's right.
1:11:40 – 1:11:46 Then I'd say thank you for being here, dear Lina.
1:11:46 – 1:11:49 H2O2 would like to thank you for joining us.
1:11:49 – 1:11:54 Oh, a nice zoom formula.
1:11:54 – 1:11:56 Yes, and then I say
1:11:56 – 1:12:02 Until next time, dear listeners and spectators and goodbye.
1:12:02 – 1:12:04 Bye bye.
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In this episode of Rectal digital Something happens that no one would have expected:
Sascha and Sarah talk to Lina (H₂O ₂) – once an opponent, now an interlocutor.
It's about misunderstandings, social media dynamics, the role of Frank Battermann, loyalty, remorse, and the ability to jump over shadows.
An honest, intense conversation that shows: Behind every profile there is a person – with history, mistakes and learning processes.

🎧 thematic breakdown:

1. Intro & Welcome

– Presentation of the episode and the guest
– Brief review: Why the conversation is so special
– Mention of the history and reactions from the community

2. How it all started

– How Lina, Sascha and Sarah became aware of each other in the first place
– Review of the criticisms and misunderstandings at the time
– Initial reactions and mutual prejudices

3. The Conflict with Frank Battermann

– Cooperation between Lina and Frank
– Dynamics in live streams and YouTube videos
– Why there were tensions
– Lina on the perception of reach, responsibility and pressure

4. The Turn - Contact & Clarification

– Why Lina decided to write Sascha and Sarah
– First news and cautious approach
– The importance of reflection and remorse in the social media context

5. Misunderstandings and public perception

– Followers’ reactions and misinterpretations
– The role of comments, algorithms and false screenshots
– How quickly narratives can become independent

6. Frank Battermann's reaction & Bruch

– Lina’s view of Frank’s behaviour
– Trigger point: the squinting image / disabled bashing
– Why Lina ultimately got ‘Bye Bye’
– Debate on responsibility, dignity and borders

7. Parallels & psychological perspective

– Dealing with online hatred, guilt and shame
– What loyalty on the net means
– When criticism is constructive – and when destructive
– Parallels to known cases (e.g. Drachenlord, Aline Bachmann)

8. Lina private - the person behind the account

– Your development since the first appearance
– Experience with followers, bots and public pressure
– Personal values & why it has changed

9. Sascha & Sarah on responsibility in the net

– Self-reflection: Where criticism was justified
– Why satire can also hurt
– Distinction between role & private individual

10. Reconciliation & shared insights

– What both sides have learned
– Why empathy is stronger than attention
– How social media could become more human

11. Closing & Outlook

– Thanks to Lina
– Appeal to listeners: ‘Do not judge until you know the whole context.’
– Reference to upcoming consequences and formats
– Outro with the motto: ‘Sometimes we need a conversation.’

📚 Glossary (short & explanatory)

Flattermann file: Podcast series by LautFunk about online conflicts and media ethics.
Frank Battermann: YouTuber (TV chat chest), often subject in the file Flattermann.
Trash Time: YouTube format of Sabrina, known for reactions and criticism of influencers.
H₂O ₂ / Lina: Influencer, formerly in the environment of Frank Battermann, speaks here about conflicts and reconciliation.
Rectally digital: Satirical-critical podcast format by Sascha & Sarah (LautFunk).