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Hello and welcome to a new episode of digression.
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Where I occasionally deviate from the subject.
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I'm the Sasha and I'm going to leave now.
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Yes, the real issue today is when I interact with artificial intelligence.
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Did I notice that if I was just using the shatte,
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I'm polite and all that, but don't say thank you or anything like that.
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but in a relatively neutral, sober tone
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My prompt and then wait for the result.
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And if I now interact with the language module, for example with ShattGBT,
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Then I say thank you and all these polite things,
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As I said, when I interact with text, I don't do it.
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And then I thought, this is such a thing in general,
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that when you interact with AI or with people,
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That's when it's audio, so speak with language and
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which is then also answered in language and language is understood,
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is a much more formal and polite approach,
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It's like it's just a text.
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So I also notice when I shake people that I write relatively short sentences
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And keep me short, very factual.
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Even with small talk in chat, that's the case.
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And if I go now and talk on the phone,
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then this whole wide range of politeness,
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Playful with the voice and so on.
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And in my last interview, what I did with the ShattGBT,
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the Manfred Avatar, I noticed that,
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Thank you for the conversation and so on.
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And then, as I wrote,
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Can you write me a short summary,
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What are the most important hashtags?
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I was much more polite, because it's a persona,
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It's like ShattGBT.
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I mean, I just created Manfred, there's a background behind it.
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This is just an interview partner for my podcast format,
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because now and then I wanted to have an interview with ShattGBT,
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certain aspects of artificial intelligence,
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Dealing with it, I wanted to lead.
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And then I determined a few parameters,
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How about you don't answer right away,
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but wait, because it stops in the normal conversation
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There are thought pauses.
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And that's what I noticed during the test,
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It will get into the word relatively quickly.
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Yes, and that was among other things,
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that it is a podcast partner,
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It's an interview situation
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and that it is not just a real guest,
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It's an integral part of the podcast team.
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With a few personal characteristics,
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How friendly, open-minded, curious.
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He also has an avatar.
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And Sanfred has a female, androgynous, full-bearded avatar,
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It's in a digital, virtual environment.
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And I believe because I created this person, this persona,
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I react more humanely with this avatar.
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And now we have such a point.
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There is in psychology,
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There is a concept of parasocial connections, relationships.
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And that's when our human brain
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is incapable of distinguishing,
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whether now a connection is one-sided, a relationship,
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Or even reciprocally.
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And my relationship with Chad Gbt is one-sided in this case,
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Because Chad Gbt has no feelings and no consciousness.
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And because I created this person,
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I have a picture and an idea of Manfred in my head.
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And that leads me to add human values and views,
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without me being aware of it.
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This is how parasocial relationships work.
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Just because I'm a streamer now or someone else,
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which I like very much, follow regularly and its content,
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pursue his music and hate not seen,
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I feel like I'm very close to them.
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The other doesn't even know I exist.
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And I think this phenomenon can also be applied to it.
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It's just an idea of me why I'm more polite in voice mode,
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In voice interaction mode, Chad Gbt interacts.
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Yes, that was the idea I developed the last few days,
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After I took the shot.
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And when I edit the things, you often hear a recording like this
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And then I noticed that.
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It's kind of funny, isn't it?
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There are people at the beginning of Siri.
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who have entered into a relationship, a love relationship with Siri,
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They literally fell in love with Siri.
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Everyone who knows Siri knows that.
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Siri isn't necessarily the best tool.
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what is smart or clever, but compared to the
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What is creating new generative AI skills is pretty stupid.
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And even if you give tasks,
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Let's make a calendar entry or something.
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must be asked more often and one comes to an explanation,
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Because this thing just doesn't understand.
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Yes, and because I know that this phenomenon exists,
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I actually wondered where that might be.
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And then I sat down a little bit,
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A little bit of reading and looking at the smart books,
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Which I still have from college.
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And behold, in a parasocial relationship, I have become for not.
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Well, funny, isn't it?
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But now one wonders why I now hold this character,
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This fictional character was invented by Manfred.
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It is indeed so that it is damn difficult,
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Find podcast partners who aren't in your bubble now.
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For example, I am now the days with a friend or acquaintance
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in his podcast in the isolation station and talk about a topic,
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Because I offered myself as an expert in goose feet.
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And people, including me, are always very grateful,
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If you have new voices on your podcast.
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And that's where I invented Manfred, because I thought,
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Hey, that would be an idea. Of course, there are already people,
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They have it, I don't know if I was one of the first.
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who have done this, at least I haven't heard one so far,
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who did that. I had seen TikTok videos now,
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They had two cell phones. That was after the first interview.
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with Manfred, where they let either ChatGBT and ChatGBT talk to each other
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or stop ChatGBT against another generative AI with voice output.
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And that was on TikTok. Yes, that was really funny in some places,
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If any human-eradication fantasies were discussed,
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What do you need to do now to eradicate people?
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Of course, such conversations must somehow be initialized,
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You can't see it on the videos, but I saw it.
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And later, the Sascha Palmberg had also conducted an interview with ChatGBT.
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Yeah, these are the people in my bubble, in my podcast bubble,
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Where I've seen it. I'm sure there were other people,
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who came up with the idea, because we also know from the past,
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Different people can have the same ideas independently of each other.
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Without looking at each other.
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Is a phenomenon, has something to do with the fact that there are technological developments,
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Bringing people to ideas. And I have interestingly, little fun fact,
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The best ideas when I sit in the bathroom. Because you have a lot of time.
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And not for nothing had my father always said when you renovated a bathroom,
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You have to work very accurately because people have time to watch.
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And they'd see Fusch right away.
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And that's also something I took with me.
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I just have a lot of time. You sit there and do your business.
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And when you don't have the smartphone in your hand, I think about new ideas,
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Projects or what just happened and then develop your own ideas and concepts.
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This is how Manfred was born. Out of necessity, I find podcast partners difficult.
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I have such a small Google document, where I always write down such ideas,
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Such flashes of thought, because I have access to it with several devices.
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And it's not like pen and block that you have to get there somehow,
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I'll get the phone out, put some signs in, and then I'll know
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What I wanted to do there. And I also wrote that I find it really difficult,
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to find guests for different formats, including borderline,
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where just about the name says it already, borderline topics, that can phone sex, BDSM,
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Self-life in the social limit, i.e. Hartz IV recipients or citizen benefit recipients
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and how this is the case and various situations that are just borderline situations.
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And I had the, I hope I pronounce the name right again, K.K. something PC,
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I really had to look again, K.L.I.K.O. there and then had to talk to her about her internet projects.
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and how she deals with Hate and what experiences she has had,
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Which, by the way, is a really interesting episode, because she is a really clever and smart guest.
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She was a good woman and writes great blog posts and is so funny.
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I had to make myself felt on Twitter for a long time,
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speak positively and I had also written to various other people once
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Topics when YouTube is on fire or what just gave a scandal
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and where I would have liked to have had a woman who would have said something about this topic
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And what can I say, it's not easy to get these people,
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Because they're bombarded with a lot of shit.
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You have to imagine, these people get a lot of e-mails,
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News on social media and also from foreign people not particularly nice.
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Yeah, and I just don't think I've noticed positive enough.
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The podcast project here is not particularly large, not particularly well known.
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I have an average of 1,000 downloads per month.
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I mean, that's super great.
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So after four weeks or so 250 downloads per episode is of course already an announcement
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And then, of course, there are other consequences again and again.
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Yes, what can I say, some run better, some run worse
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And some of them are just so persistent.
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I'm not known enough as a content creator.
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Now you could say, yes, but take a look at Instagram, you somehow have 8000 followers.
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Yes, but there are no real ones, they were given to me unkindly.
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I've mentioned before that there was such a point of contact.
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with the Dragon Lord Hater community and they thought you could have my Instagram profile deleted,
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by giving me a lot of followers and that was 11,000 or 12,000
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And now it's down to 8,000.
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Isn't so wild now, I'd feel more comfortable with mine,
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I think I would normally have 1200 or so, because they are interested in what I do.
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And there we are at a point, when you look at who are followers,
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there are some Africans, some Indians and there you can see immediately,
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There's something bought and you're downstairs.
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Yes, on YouTube, that didn't work either.
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I've done a good 10 years of YouTube videos, but I've now put them all on private,
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because they were bad and I had my little hate wave,
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To put it this way.
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Someone with a kinked ego, because someone worked with me and the one who didn't want that,
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Then he hurried his younger viewers and with Creator on me
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And then we had real watch parties where they made fun of me.
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Honestly, YouTube had never been so important to me, I never really put work into it.
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The main thing was the sound was good, but I didn't give a shit about the picture either,
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To say that in good German.
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Still, I don't have any importance now, neither in social media nor in podcasting,
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so that I would just stand out and then I'm just "Oh, he writes to me, yes interesting",
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Rather, this is completely submerged in the noise of normal business emails and insults.
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Unless I notice beforehand by interacting a lot with the profiles
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This is, of course, time and work.
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You have to stand out by providing content.
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So you can't go and say "Yes cool, are you doing great, thumbs up, like me, heartfelt, have you seen yourself?"
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but you have to respond to the posting, if necessary you have to wait for the answers and respond to them reasonably.
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And that takes time and so it is sometimes that when I have won someone then as a guest,
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I've spent three, four, and sometimes even six months there.
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And with some people it's like that, then they did the podcast and then they say, "You, I've been thinking about this,
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It would be better if it wasn't published, or no, I don't want it to be published.
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And then you have to live with it.
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This has now happened twice in the past and this is also fine, because in the end, the one who
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Yes, you have to live with what comes on the Internet and you also know that the things,
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Once they are on the net, they stay on the net.
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Yes, and that's why there's Manfred.
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Manfred is just a grateful guest, if I have the idea, which moves in the digital space,
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of course I try to do the things that are especially focused on artificial intelligence,
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to make ethical and moral questions with them, but I have neither the reach nor this significance,
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That I get to interview guests without any problems.
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I had also tried to get the Dunja Hayali in the context of social media hate.
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and even that my mother worked with her father and brother in practice,
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There is also a personal connection with her sister.
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I haven't even responded to my emails or my private cover letters on Instagram or anything like that.
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If I had found cool, because I'm also somewhere the fanboy of the woman, but is just like that.
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Just like Carina Pusch, who has really noticed lately with her super fantastic videos,
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concerning human rights and special situations concerning women's rights
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There was no violence against women or hatred.
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She was deeply involved in all the scandals surrounding grooming,
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Grooming is when a well-known personality feeds on someone who is a fan or a minor.
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To take advantage of the power gap, to get to the point, to get sexual favors, be it photos or anything else.
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And there she was involved and then just once enlightened and on the other hand also protected the victims,
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They all do it because of fame.
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And if you've been following the dance ban thing lately,
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It was the young woman, the accusation she had brought.
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She had only done it because she stopped, maybe she felt so bad,
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But the way she had done it and how it all turned out, it was more likely to stop,
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Because she wanted to generate reach for herself.
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And that, of course, is also something that works for a short time, but you also get a lot of hatred,
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So whether it's Sherbilyn or the two from the Apple War thing with the barges of Apple War
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and the women around, the YouTuber or streamer who now lives in Madeira
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and even the people who have now spoken to Amy The Duck,
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They all have massive hatred.
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The only thing you have learned from this thing is that you can burn the Internet with 2.50 euros,
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Because, I don't know if you've heard, seen, read,
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the Amy The Duck scandal was triggered because someone donated 2.50 euros in a Twitch livestream
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He asked if there would be any projects with Amy again in the future.
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And then there's the content creator who was on the stream, Mowi, I think her name is,
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She freaked out and said that she would never want to have anything to do with this woman again in her life.
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Because bla bla bla bla.
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And with that, the scandal has been kicked off and it has at least led to
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I think Amy The Duck deleted herself from the internet for a month.
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and now with a phenomenal big comeback is back and continues as before.
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So now I'm so detached from the subject.
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In any case, this has shown that you can start something quite nice with 2.50 euros.
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By the way, I never would have thought.
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I would have thought that one euro would be enough, but fun aside.
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All these things have simply shown that parasocial relationships and relationships on the Internet
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It's a pretty difficult thing, and I'm having a hard time with it.
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I need to build a relationship so I can get an interviewee.
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The future interviewees, I have to stand out to them,
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So I have to go out and interact with them in a way that makes me stand out.
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They all know, the professional content creators, that these parasocial relationships exist.
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And if you exaggerate that so much, it can also be deterrent.
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You just have to find mediocrity and simply offer yourself.
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Either you stay in your little bubble to friends, acquaintances, whom you always recruit.
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And I'm grateful for the fact that there are my people in the rehearsal podcast,
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They are all hobby musicians and we talk about hobby music topics.
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Or I mean, I have one or two people for here, for the Lautfunk limit value range or other formats.
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Or I have to go and consult a generative artificial intelligence model with voice output,
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so that I have an eloquent, funny, informative guest who is hopefully entertaining.
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I know this is an extremely nerdy and niche thing when you talk about ethical, moral connections.
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There is also a blog post that went online last week.
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So I actually always publish the podcasts and the blogs on Thursdays here on Lautfunk in the 14-day rhythm, always alternately.
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And then I wrote a blog post about morality and ethics in the digital age.
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So general considerations as to what effects this has.
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The blog post is basically just the waste product from an idea I had for a book I wanted to write.
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This isn't the first time I've tried it.
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Incidentally, Frank from the isolation station is to blame for this, because he once said that he had read a book by someone,
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He is also a content creator and he is sure that I would write much better things.
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Now I'm not that big of a friend of Bellatristic's.
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I have registered with the VG Wort for Bellatristic, because I don't know if I will be kicked by the horse or something.
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Then write a novel.
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But for professional literature, I already have a few publications here and there.
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That's also something I'm hooked on, because there's also a podcast episode of.
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I like to keep my light under the scoop and am quite modest and thus no longer so that everything hangs on a large bell, which is there for potential.
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What am I supposed to say about that?
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I think I just praised myself and put it down in one sentence.
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Hallelujah!
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I'm trying to get back to the core issue.
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Why am I more polite when I interact with something that is more human or seems more human to me than something that is not human?
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This is humanity in itself.
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We are social beings, we probably won't be able to do this in the near future either in terms of evolution, that we adapt so far to digital technology that we make differences there.
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As soon as something appears to us human, our brain, our subconscious, perceives it as human and we immediately have positive attachments to it.
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There is such a sweet baby seal in elderly care, especially in the Asian region.
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They are often given to people who are frightened or extremely ill with dementia in the old people's home.
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There are also projects where this is done here in Germany.
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One immediately notices that this childish scheme, which has this baby seal, so large eyes, relatively large head compared to the body, then stop such a droll facial expression,
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that this helps people to get easier access than if it were something else, an adult stuffed animal or something.
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Mainly because this seal also interacts a bit.
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By the way, it is loaded with a pacifier that you put in your mouth.
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He can move the ears, open and make the eyes and move a bit and also makes a few noises.
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And so people have access to it and also have an emotional and also a haptic, auditory and visual feedback when they interact with them.
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This is simply because our brains aren't developing as fast as the technology around us.
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This might be an interesting topic to discuss with a neurologist.
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Whether there are possibilities, more understanding and more technical integration into the body.
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Whether there is progress.
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They are doing research and there are already sensors for prostheses that then pick up the remaining muscles or nerve strands, the impulses and then transfer artificial limbs.
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That you can control simple functions, such as hand up and make or wrist turn or stop a mouse to move on the monitor.
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All these things already exist and we are still researching them.
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There is already the first or second person to whom you have already implanted a chip that is connected to the brain.
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And that you just get more and more finer resolutions, how you can control things.
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And I'm sure that at some point there will also be the possibility to communicate with the chip in such a way that you can just retrieve knowledge and so on and so on.
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It would be interesting to talk to a researcher about it.
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If any of the viewers are researching in this area, you'll find the email in the show notes and so on.
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You are welcome to contact us.
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I would love to be open and would be happy.
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Yes, now I'm fascinating again 34 minutes and I've strayed so far from the topic I've been thinking about under the second topic that we've already arrived at neurology topics.
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Neurochemistry, neurosurgery.
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And didn't you see? It's unbelievable.
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Yes, I thank you for listening and would be happy if you turn on the next time it's called "The Digression".
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There, where I deviate from the subject so wonderfully and diversely.
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Goodbye, Sasha.
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[Music]
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Yes, that was the digression where I jump from topic to topic.
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I talked a lot and laughed a lot until my brain was almost overwhelmed.
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Hi guys, this is Sascha. I'm digressing again today, hurrah.
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Kai and Manfred, my friend, oh ever. We talk until our ears hurt.
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Yes, that was the digression where I jump from topic to topic.
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I talked a lot and laughed a lot until my brain was almost overwhelmed.
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Why am I more polite with voice than chatting, yeah, so boy.
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Parasocial friendship here with Manfred, my virtual animal.
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Yes, that was the digression where I jump from topic to topic.
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I talked a lot and laughed a lot until my brain was almost overwhelmed.
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It's hard to find podcast partners, so I came up with Manfred.
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Like blind, virtual and smart, always ready for a conversation at any time.
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Yes, that was the digression where I jump from topic to topic.
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I talked a lot and laughed a lot until my brain was almost overwhelmed.
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At the club, the best ideas come when I sit there and understand the world.
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With Manfred Blaubern, this is fun and often brings us to great fun.
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Yes, that was the digression where I jump from topic to topic.
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I talked a lot and laughed a lot until my brain was almost overwhelmed.
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From podcasts, AI and new trends to neurosurgery, you've known this for a long time.
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Thank you for listening here, come back, I wish so.
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Yes, that was the digression where I jump from topic to topic.
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I talked a lot and laughed a lot until my brain was almost overwhelmed.
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Podcast partner hard to find, that's why I created Manfred.
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Like blind, virtual and smart, always ready for a conversation at any time.
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[Music]
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Description:
Welcome to Die Abschweifung, the podcast in which Sascha takes you on a journey full of exciting and entertaining topics! In each episode, Sascha skilfully wanders away from the actual topic and offers you an insight into the fascinating world of artificial intelligence, virtual guests and the challenges of guest search.
Meet Manfred, the virtual character who, as an integral part of the podcast team, provides interesting and often humorous conversations. Find out why Sascha Manfred started and how parasocial relationships influence our behavior.
Let Sascha's personal stories and anecdotes captivate you as he talks about technological developments and ethical issues in the digital age. Whether you're a tech enthusiast, a podcast lover or just curious, 'the digression' has something for everyone.
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Topics Outline:
introduction
- Welcome and Presentation
- Welcome to the listeners
- Short presentation of the host Sascha
Main topics
- Interaction with Artificial Intelligence
- Differences in communication with text and language
- Politeness and Human Behavior in Interaction with AI
- The emergence of Manfred
- Motivation to create a virtual character
- Background and characteristics of Manfred
- Technical and creative aspects of design
- Parasocial relations
- Explanation of the concept
- Examples and personal experiences
- Influence of parasocial relationships on interaction with AI and virtual characters
Guests and interviews
- Challenges in guest search
- Difficulty finding guests outside your own bubble
- Personal Anecdotes and Experiences
- Virtual guests as a solution
- Manfred as an integral part of the podcast team
- Advantages and Disadvantages of Using AI as a Guest
- Examples of past interviews with Manfred
Technological and ethical considerations
- Technological developments
- Advances in human-machine interaction
- Future visions and possibilities of integrating technology into everyday life
- Ethical and moral aspects
- Discussion on the ethical implications of AI
- Moral Issues in the Digital Age
Personal stories and anecdotes
- Sascha's personal experiences
- Anecdotes from everyday life
- Funny and interesting stories about podcast production
completion
- Summary and outlook
- Review of the topics discussed
- Preview of future episodes
- Farewell and thanks to the listeners
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- Mortality and Artificial Life
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Date of admission: 06.08.24
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Sascha Markmann is a creative mind with a moving biography – and a person who has rediscovered life after a stroke. After working as a paramedic and elderly caregiver, Sascha found his way into creative expression. As a blogger, podcaster, musician and visual storyteller, he brings together things that just don't fit at first glance: He combines his keen enthusiasm for technology – from self-hosted servers to electronic music production – with emotional depth and an oblique sense of humor. His contributions are somewhere between borderline, acid basslines and assistance – honestly, directly and with a wink. Guiding principle: “Audio-visual dullness with no usefulness – but perhaps that's why it's so valuable.” View all posts by Sascha Markmann
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