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KlarFunk-007 When YouTube drama escalates: Announcements, warnings and the limits of empathy

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00:00 – 0:00:12 Short disclaimer. In this episode, Bernhard Wagner is only used as a source of information.
0:00:12 – 0:00:23 It is not imputed to him at the, yes, what do you call that, suggesting that there is no act
0:00:23 – 0:00:34 There was, in no way done. warning. We live in a time where again warnings total
0:00:34 – 0:00:45 in and vogue. It is used as a stylistic device, as an argument. One makes an announcement to X,
0:00:45 – 0:00:50 YZ and refers to interesting judgments.
0:00:50 – 0:01:00 Klarfunk. Not around it. Not just further. Not just loud. Questioning.
0:01:00 – 0:01:03 Clear radio.
0:01:03 – 0:01:07 Clear radio.
0:01:07 – 0:01:10 Let's talk about it.
0:01:10 – 0:01:16 Let's talk about it.
0:01:16 – 0:01:27 Welcome to Klarfunk. I'm Sascha Maachmann and now I'll be a little bit, yes, yes plain text
0:01:27 – 0:01:39 not, loud and clear my opinion on it. Yes, we have again, when was that
0:01:39 – 0:01:51 have been. That was before 20, 2020. Dance ban made announcements. Announcements to Montana Black, Announcements
0:01:51 – 0:02:03 to all sorts of other YouTubers. Orangemorengescrews, Because of Casino Streams and How Suspicious He Is
0:02:03 – 0:02:08 finds. Strangely enough, this coincides with the very time when he was an extreme.
0:02:08 – 0:02:17 It had channel growth. Well, there were announcements really very successful. But experience this
0:02:17 – 0:02:24 me now. We have a renaissance of announcements. I make announcements to X, Y and Z,
0:02:24 – 0:02:31 then wipe with any court rulings that have a completely different set of facts and a
0:02:31 – 0:02:39 Discuss completely different problems, but I'll show you, because I have the proof here.
0:02:39 – 0:02:47 Yes, I would throw around so inflationary with what I'm doing for ads and procedures
0:02:47 – 0:02:54 I'd be wondering, firstly, who's paying for all this shit and secondly,
0:02:54 – 0:03:02 Do I have to make an ad for every cocolor? But that seems to be just in
0:03:02 – 0:03:10 to be our little bubble really big topic. What? You don't like what I say? Display.
0:03:10 – 0:03:21 What? I don't like what you say? Display. My lawyer writes a letter. Post is out. warning,
0:03:21 – 0:03:31 warning warning warning this has now become totally horny so really interesting that people
0:03:31 – 0:03:37 Everyone has money for it and also so much time to expose themselves to each other
0:03:37 – 0:03:42 to put because if you just go there poorly prepared then the lawyer has to take care of all this
0:03:42 – 0:03:46 look and then stop writing the stuff that he calculates naturally and put at hours
0:03:46 – 0:03:54 from beyond the 300 rather 400 euros. Yes, you're thinking that somehow you're going to spend four hours there
0:03:54 – 0:04:02 Live streams let the lawyer watch or if you don't go there and then everything yourself
0:04:02 – 0:04:11 gather and give them a package. Yes, I wonder what these announcements do anyway
0:04:11 – 0:04:20 should. Since a cuddly kitten also writes an announcement to us, posts this in her community area
0:04:20 – 0:04:27 and then see that the people who follow it or stop where the algorithm feels it is necessary,
0:04:27 – 0:04:38 Show it to people. And that's the big all-round envelope. I showed it to you.
0:04:38 – 0:04:46 And then I wonder, in what context is that? What am I getting an announcement for now? For
0:04:46 – 0:04:51 What does the project get? Who gets an announcement? Is it the female part? Is it
0:04:51 – 0:04:57 the male part? Is it the other proagunists who are active on radio?
0:04:57 – 0:05:04 Difficult, especially if you don't call a name. Who is addressed now? Mr., Mrs.,
0:05:04 – 0:05:12 the others are questions that I ask myself and those where I can't get an answer because
0:05:12 – 0:05:26 Ask, Ansage to Lautfunk plus xyz and then also with orange highlighter the text passages
0:05:26 – 0:05:33 marked by a verdict. Is that supposed to intimidate me somehow? So at least that is,
0:05:33 – 0:05:41 What I have now heard about this process is on a completely different level like that,
0:05:41 – 0:05:48 what's going on here. But maybe this is just an attempt at intimidation. I mean,
0:05:48 – 0:05:57 We really like to work with that right now. It starts with ad and there you get hold of post
0:05:57 – 0:06:02 from my lawyer, then at some point goes over visits in front of any offices,
0:06:02 – 0:06:18 where one is then also threatened with a black powder projectile accelerator and the
0:06:18 – 0:06:25 then used as an opinion booster to deliver a message that is highly
0:06:25 – 0:06:31 It is interesting in its core statement. But then something becomes somehow
0:06:31 – 0:06:35 Constructed that it wasn't there. This is the post office, which then
0:06:35 – 0:06:40 Either before or after. And then there will also be a community post
0:06:40 – 0:06:46 obtained from someone else, who then neatly analyzed how halt
0:06:46 – 0:06:53 into the livestream, which happened after the fact, how the speeches were,
0:06:53 – 0:06:58 what themes were, how and so on.
0:06:58 – 0:07:03 This is then referred to and then, this is all a staging.
0:07:03 – 0:07:16 I really wonder with these people, and that goes to our Hamburg handbag activist,
0:07:16 – 0:07:24 Is your inner perception different from the outer perception?
0:07:24 – 0:07:29 So I have already discussed it in the context of the digression that I stop
0:07:29 – 0:07:36 People who remember situations where several were involved completely differently
0:07:36 – 0:07:38 have like the others.
0:07:38 – 0:07:43 So that I've ever wondered, what's wrong with my perception?
0:07:43 – 0:07:52 If you talk about it, you find that 99 percent of my perception is identical to the perception of others.
0:07:52 – 0:07:59 Is good, that one percent are just deviations, because everyone just sets a different focus for himself personally.
0:07:59 – 0:08:08 But so on the whole the situation, the processes are described uniformly and then things stop there,
0:08:08 – 0:08:15 You think so, that can't be true. Above all, stone and ball are claimed,
0:08:15 – 0:08:21 No, that's the way I tell you, and that's the way it is there. There are things going to be
0:08:21 – 0:08:28 rhymed together, constructed, and I'm really wondering, don't they realize that?
0:08:28 – 0:08:35 And the answer is, unfortunately, no, they don't realize it. There are protection mechanisms,
0:08:35 – 0:08:50 who conceal their own failures, so that you just consider everything as a threat, what just something
0:08:50 – 0:08:58 says what does not correspond to one's own inner perception. And yes, then you just reach out
0:08:58 – 0:09:09 more radical means and I see this now really increased and not in vain I have
0:09:09 – 0:09:15 Yes, various content creators had written with the "Please talk".
0:09:15 – 0:09:19 Some have also written to me with the "Please talk" because they
0:09:19 – 0:09:25 also noticed. Yes, then you just exchange ideas and find out
0:09:25 – 0:09:33 Everyone finds this worrying.
0:09:33 – 0:09:33 But somehow nobody does anything.
0:09:33 – 0:09:38 I find it really difficult and
0:09:38 – 0:09:45 It is frightening to think that
0:09:45 – 0:09:49 in Wuppertal someone in front of his office
0:09:49 – 0:09:53 They are so intimidated.
0:09:49 – 0:09:55 First of all, I wonder what happens as
0:09:55 – 0:10:01 Next and who is next
0:10:01 – 0:10:04 on it? Do I need alarm systems now
0:10:04 – 0:10:08 gaining? Do I have to get personal protection?
0:10:08 – 0:10:11 Just because I dare to tell people
0:10:11 – 0:10:16 Criticizing for Publicly Done
0:10:11 – 0:10:21 Statement? I have to be scared because I
0:10:21 – 0:10:24 People wear things they wear with
0:10:24 – 0:10:26 Have you experienced this other person?
0:10:26 – 0:10:29 Although I do not publicly
0:10:29 – 0:10:33 I talk about it, but I have the knowledge.
0:10:33 – 0:10:35 Do I have to be afraid of that? Do I have to
0:10:35 – 0:10:39 me quasi on the shortening key of my
0:10:35 – 0:10:41 mobile phones;
0:10:41 – 0:10:49 the 110 and the direct extension to the
0:10:49 – 0:10:49 SEK, Ministry of Interior,
0:10:49 – 0:10:57 other authorities, everything over there
0:10:57 – 0:11:00 stands, here protection of the Constitution,
0:11:00 – 0:11:02 Federal Criminal Police Office, State Criminal Police Office.
0:11:02 – 0:11:04 Do I have to use all this on speed dial
0:11:04 – 0:11:05 make groping, so that I then in the
0:11:04 – 0:11:07 Deciding the Right Ones Right Now
0:11:07 – 0:11:12 You can call people to get help.
0:11:12 – 0:11:14 get? Do I have to make contacts to
0:11:14 – 0:11:16 provide military shielding service,
0:11:16 – 0:11:19 so that I somehow stop at it
0:11:19 – 0:11:23 Be warned if something happens?
0:11:23 – 0:11:25 No, I don't have to. But it is
0:11:25 – 0:11:30 sad that you have something like this
0:11:30 – 0:11:33 must address. There will be a young man,
0:11:30 – 0:11:37 who goes to his office at two o'clock at night because he still has something to do,
0:11:37 – 0:11:44 threatened and injured with an opinion booster, the black powder
0:11:44 – 0:11:52 Accelerated projectiles fired. And then it is called into question that
0:11:52 – 0:11:58 this has happened. The question is not asked or the
0:11:58 – 0:12:04 Opinion expressed that this is totally
0:12:04 – 0:12:07 is exaggerated. No, it will
0:12:07 – 0:12:10 doubted. It will be in your own
0:12:10 – 0:12:13 inner perception interpreted and
0:12:13 – 0:12:16 interpreted that it only stages
0:12:16 – 0:12:18 can be. Because it is in the
0:12:18 – 0:12:22 The past also once made a statement,
0:12:22 – 0:12:25 where you had the guess without
0:12:25 – 0:12:28 Evidence to have whether there is a
0:12:25 – 0:12:32 There was use or maybe even just a telephone conversation, which is not at all in the
0:12:32 – 0:12:36 Police diary is listed.
0:12:36 – 0:12:42 So from this one then interprets that someone else makes them punishable and
0:12:42 – 0:12:48 this is a crime, a pretense of a crime, especially with the
0:12:48 – 0:12:52 Impact, because you had said yes, you had the impression that it was just a
0:12:52 – 0:13:00 Sharp black powder accelerated projectile device would be.
0:13:00 – 0:13:05 I mean, that's where our law enforcement officers are very allergic to it.
0:13:05 – 0:13:11 And then a slightly larger gun is pulled up on search work.
0:13:11 – 0:13:16 as if you were saying I got an email from xy there stood what
0:13:16 – 0:13:23 bad inside. I want to show that now.
0:13:23 – 0:13:24 No, they're a little allergic.
0:13:24 – 0:13:33 They also do a little more than
0:13:33 – 0:13:36 that. So another YouTuber from
0:13:36 – 0:13:39 Berlin also has Wuppertal
0:13:39 – 0:13:41 Asked the police if it stopped there.
0:13:39 – 0:13:46 There was a commitment and he confirmed it
0:13:46 – 0:13:48 get. So it became quasi
0:13:48 – 0:13:51 Confirmed by someone third
0:13:51 – 0:13:54 that there was a mission. A short
0:13:54 – 0:13:56 Disclaimer. From this point onwards,
0:13:56 – 0:13:59 expressly not Bernhard Wagner of
0:13:59 – 0:14:02 Berny's night café. It is about the
0:14:02 – 0:14:06 cuddly kittens. But you still doubt
0:14:02 – 0:14:11 that, assuming a criminal offense, pretends to be a criminal offense and then argues it with announcements,
0:14:11 – 0:14:20 It could all be constructed. So I think it's pretty virious and when I'm like that
0:14:20 – 0:14:30 think about it, if that would happen to me, so that I keep having these thoughts
0:14:30 – 0:14:39 and outward and I do not notice that I have these train of thought and that this stops with
0:14:39 – 0:14:46 the inner and outer perception is a great discrepancy, then the point would be where I
0:14:46 – 0:14:51 halt would seek help. Especially if I notice it. If I don't notice it anymore,
0:14:51 – 0:14:56 I would be grateful if someone else would let me know that I am helping.
0:14:56 – 0:15:00 would try. But we know from experience above all in
0:15:00 – 0:15:07 these special persons, that will then be dismissed as cocolores, they will be
0:15:07 – 0:15:16 Advertisements are made, warnings are written. I always wonder where this
0:15:16 – 0:15:20 All the money comes here for it. I mean, after all, something like that costs money. So I
0:15:20 – 0:15:24 knows from own experience, so a media lawyer somehow costs what
0:15:24 – 0:15:30 between 350 and 400 euros an hour. Other lawyers have others, of course.
0:15:30 – 0:15:37 Rates, but getting something on legal aid is already really difficult.
0:15:37 – 0:15:48 I find it very interesting these dynamics and I must say I have also really meanwhile
0:15:48 – 0:15:56 So if I get an ad, I can handle it. If I get a warning,
0:15:56 – 0:16:04 yes I can also deal with it, because it means in the end only a little bit
0:16:04 – 0:16:10 Trouble and hold a lot of money, which I have to spend. And I know, I was howling around at the
0:16:10 – 0:16:15 First warning. Well, don't yell, I complained about it being damn difficult
0:16:15 – 0:16:23 Find a lawyer who has the capacity. And how shit I find this action,
0:16:23 – 0:16:37 I can say that. Yes, but when I think about it, it's always such huge things
0:16:37 – 0:16:44 be constructed and people then do themselves with it important and see, I already have this
0:16:44 – 0:16:59 won. Yeah, I don't know. This is something that is no longer normal. So, you just notice,
0:16:59 – 0:17:04 I'm also at the end of my Latin. Yes, I know I speak a terrible Latin.
0:17:04 – 0:17:11 I mean, the whole thing is rescripted here now. I sit here in front of the microphone spontaneously and
0:17:11 – 0:17:20 Speak this in. And I'm just
0:17:20 – 0:17:23 speechless, how unempathetic there
0:17:23 – 0:17:29 is reacted. And shortly after three rings
0:17:29 – 0:17:31 that, I get a message that just someone
0:17:31 – 0:17:35 I want to talk about what
0:17:35 – 0:17:38 Bad things happen. We were on the
0:17:38 – 0:17:39 Go to bed and then
0:17:38 – 0:17:44 We'll talk on the phone and then you'll hear what happened. And you're thinking, "What the fuck?
0:17:44 – 0:17:53 What kind of world do we live in, where you travel with such opinion enhancers? What are these
0:17:53 – 0:18:01 for sick, criminal brains?" And every person I've talked to about it,
0:18:01 – 0:18:09 shakes his head and asks himself
0:18:09 – 0:18:14 for what? What? It is about
0:18:14 – 0:18:18 YouTube Beef? How please? For
0:18:18 – 0:18:22 Criticism and counterarguments and all that? For that?
0:18:22 – 0:18:27 Yes? And then you've got people sitting there,
0:18:22 – 0:18:33 of this relativization. That can't be. This is staged and then become
0:18:33 – 0:18:41 also made announcements and I think to myself, young woman, what's wrong with you and
0:18:41 – 0:18:50 Your life doesn't have you arguing and thinking that way.
0:18:50 – 0:18:54 I also fall for this personally now
0:18:54 – 0:18:59 Nothing more that I
0:18:59 – 0:19:05 could still say without me
0:19:05 – 0:19:10 Legally external to this. Because my
0:19:10 – 0:19:15 Contempt for this could hardly be greater
0:19:15 – 0:19:19 to be expressed as if I were someone
0:19:15 – 0:19:23 willfully climb on the roof and has
0:19:23 – 0:19:24 shit about it. Yes, I think that hits it
0:19:24 – 0:19:29 Very well. This is a beautiful picture
0:19:29 – 0:19:36 for it. I mean, there has been
0:19:36 – 0:19:39 Someone all human empathy so
0:19:36 – 0:19:47 Shot in such a way that you can only
0:19:47 – 0:19:51 From, yes, from what reason, hatred
0:19:51 – 0:19:55 Don't explain yourself to me, loyalty
0:19:55 – 0:19:59 to third parties, so that's what I find
0:19:59 – 0:20:01 Even a hard piece. I don't know,
0:20:01 – 0:20:03 Maybe I'll get another
0:20:01 – 0:20:09 Announcement and then there is also an explanation. Would be interesting. Man
0:20:09 – 0:20:16 just realizes I'm still missing the words and it's a little time now
0:20:16 – 0:20:21 past and I shake my head all the more when I see how some
0:20:21 – 0:20:27 Content creators and, above all, people in the comment columns
0:20:27 – 0:20:38 react to it. And I am appalled that one sees oneself compelled to do an analysis of the
0:20:38 – 0:20:49 to order livestream content, where you analyse the speech shares and the topic shares,
0:20:49 – 0:20:57 only to show that it is a moral staging and others then relate
0:20:57 – 0:21:05 on it. So more perfectly you can not put a conflagration, as in the World Cup, in such situations
0:21:05 – 0:21:17 Keep the little game going. Yeah, sad, right? In the end, it is about
0:21:17 – 0:21:31 for people. We now have a young man who is intimidated, who is hurt. Not
0:21:31 – 0:21:41 Physically, even mentally. And experience has shown that when people have experienced something like this, there will also be
0:21:41 – 0:21:49 There is a trauma left behind and that needs to be treated. And then it will become
0:21:49 – 0:21:58 echauffiert, a story, a construct made, that all this is constructed, a staging.
0:21:58 – 0:22:08 And no one comes up with the idea of being outraged that, first of all, the act happened and
0:22:08 – 0:22:17 others that they deny credibility to the victims and mean,
0:22:17 – 0:22:23 Because it is a staging, one would fake a crime.
0:22:23 – 0:22:33 A crime writer, a screenwriter couldn't make it more perfidious and blatant
0:22:33 – 0:22:41 Implemented. Well, that's just life and the internet is a reflection of our
0:22:41 – 0:22:49 society. There must also be very special specimens. So many people
0:22:49 – 0:22:53 on this. I know I have repeated myself, I have an indistinct debate and
0:22:53 – 0:23:00 my latin is horrible, my grammar is bad and I know I
0:23:00 – 0:23:06 I know I'm talking too slowly. Thank God there is a function for that. Double speed
0:23:06 – 0:23:14 makes life more bearable, saves time, namely half. And against the other there is also a
0:23:14 – 0:23:24 super aids. Just don't listen. By the way, the permission gives us the contents of the group
0:23:24 – 0:23:30 release. Then I say thank you and goodbye, your Sasha.
0:23:30 – 0:23:41 Thoughts remain, questions smoke, think on, ask on, talk on.
0:23:41 – 0:23:51 That was KlarFunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, ye Let's talk about it.
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When does public criticism become a personal conflict? When do legal means become a demonstration of power? And what happens when even reports of violence no longer trigger compassion, but distrust and new accusations?

In this episode of KlarFunk Sascha Markmann deals with a worrying development within the German YouTube scene: Public announcements, warnings, criminal charges and mutual accusations seem increasingly to become an integral part of digital disputes.

What used to start with disagreements now often develops into a dynamic of legal threats, public justifications, and ever-new levels of escalation. The question arises whether it is actually still about the matter or long ago about attention, sovereignty of interpretation and the demonstration of supposed superiority.

When legal disputes become a public staging

Based on previous YouTube controversies, Sascha sheds light on how so-called announcements are used as a means of publicity. Court rulings are cited, passages highlighted and legal action announced. But how meaningful are such references when the underlying facts are completely different?

It is also about the question of what financial and personal burdens arise when disagreements are increasingly carried out by legal means.

When real fear arises from digital conflicts

Sascha is particularly concerned with the reported attack on a journalist in Wuppertal, who is said to have been threatened and physically injured.

The focus of the episode, however, is not only the incident itself, but also the public handling of it. While some people react with dismay, doubts are expressed elsewhere and speculation about a possible staging is spread.

Sascha questions how such narratives arise, why people evaluate conflicting information differently and why the credibility of suspected victims becomes the subject of public debate.

Perception, group dynamics and lack of empathy

Another focus is on the psychological side of digital conflicts. How much do personal beliefs influence our perception? Why do people stick to their interpretation, even if other participants describe the same situation in a completely different way?

It is about self-protection, selective perception, group affiliation and the question of how loyalty to individual persons can create a dynamic in which compassion and factual differentiation are increasingly lost.

A personal consequence across the borders of digital disputes

KlarFunk 007 is deliberately not a distant news report, but a personal comment. Sascha speaks openly about his uncertainty, his anger and the consequences of an increasingly aggressive culture of discussion for people who publicly voice criticism.

In the end, a fundamental question remains:

How far can a conflict on the Internet escalate before we stop thinking in camps and see the people behind it again?

KlarFunk – Not just loud. questions. Questioning. Let's talk about it.

Note: The episode contains personal evaluations and refers to reported events as well as public reactions to them. Any suspicions expressed are not to be equated with facts established by a court.

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Topics of this episode

The renaissance of YouTube announcements: Why public bills and provocative statements within the creator scene are gaining in importance again.
Warnings, criminal charges and legal threats: When differences of opinion become legal disputes and the boundaries between legitimate legal protection and public demonstration of power become blurred.
Court rulings as rhetorical means of pressure: Why reliance on legal decisions without taking into account the specific facts of the case can be problematic.
The price of digital conflicts: Legal fees, time spent and psychological stress caused by ongoing legal and public disputes.
Public announcements and their actual effect: Who should be addressed, what message is conveyed and what role does the audience play?
Intimidation beyond the Internet: How real feelings of threat arise from verbal conflicts and what consequences this has for people who appear publicly.
The reported attack on a journalist in Wuppertal: Why this incident concerns Sasha personally and what fundamental questions he raises.
If alleged victims are denied credibility: The dynamics of public speculation, allegations of staging and unsubstantiated suspicions.
Internal and external perception: How people interpret the same events differently and why personal beliefs play a crucial role.
Psychological protection mechanisms and selective information processing: Why contradictory information can be perceived as an attack on one's own worldview.
Group Dynamics and Loyalty in the YouTube Bubble: When camp thinking, mutual confirmation and personal dislikes complicate a factual discussion.
The responsibility of content creators: What influence public statements have on their own community and how quickly conflicts can be further fueled by this.
Empathy in a polarized online world: Why compassion should not depend on sympathy, group affiliation, or personal differences.
Personal limitations and the fear of escalation: Sasha's thoughts on the impact that public criticism can have on one's own safety and personal life.
When man disappears behind the conflict: Why we must not lose sight of the human consequences of our actions even in digital disputes.

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The anatomy of the digital mob: When Factual Criticism Becomes a Betrayal

“We are not a rental megaphone for foreign revenge fantasies. We stand for harsh criticism, not digital chases."

The Internet has a strange feature: It distorts not only the perception of closeness and distance, but also the definition of loyalty and morality. In recent weeks, as the operator of this opinion blog, we have had an experience that has allowed us to look deeply – not only into the abysses of the actors we criticise, but above all into the group dynamics of our own audience.

Why digital violence is escalating on social media and how to tackle it

“Hate comments, cyberbullying and digital hate speech are on the rise. But why are online conflicts escalating so much faster than in the analogue world?’

Introduction: The dark side of digital networking

The internet, and social media in particular, once entered our lives with a utopian promise: They should serve the democratization of knowledge, break down barriers and unite people worldwide in an open, constructive dialogue. Today, more than two decades after the rise of the first major platforms, however, a much more ambivalent picture emerges. In addition to the undeniable advantages of global networking, the digital space has increasingly developed into a venue for verbal assault, intimidation and systematic incitement. We understand these phenomena under the concept of Digital violence together.

75 Don’t feed the Troll

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0:00:31 – 0:00:40 Hello and welcome to a new edition of the digression, where I occasionally almost never
0:00:40 – 0:00:53 deviate from the subject. Yes, my God, I saw a video yesterday from a livestream of
0:00:53 – 0:01:01 The stunning Maren Gierrits. I mean, in some circles, this woman is well known.
0:01:01 – 0:01:12 Some call her a card-publisher, the other woman who advises people about their lives, or someone who
0:01:12 – 0:01:20 The content is produced on YouTube, in various areas. But I want
0:01:20 – 0:01:28 Not to mention it at all. Maren is Maren and no matter how controversial she is, that's what it's all about now
0:01:28 – 0:01:44 It's not. It is about the livestream of 27.01.2026. The title is "Invoicing". @, i.e. the handle
0:01:44 – 0:01:52 for the TV Chest, Expose Creator and Flying Monkeys Drama in the Bubble disgusting.
0:01:52 – 0:02:06 It is in the live stream once about the exposing video of Frank Battermann aka the TV chat chest
0:02:06 – 0:02:17 Then there's what happened to another content creator. And I don't want to
0:02:17 – 0:02:24 the video with the exposing, but it is just about the experiences,
0:02:24 – 0:02:36 which were divided there as part of the evil attack on the stroller by this one
0:02:36 – 0:02:42 Content Creator. Sometimes hatred actually spills over from the internet into the real world.
0:02:42 – 0:02:52 And in the most harmless case, it's pizza orders. It becomes extreme when you are swatted and
0:02:52 – 0:03:01 various emergency services are at the door or the people are personally at the door and ignite
0:03:01 – 0:03:08 Among other things, a stroller stops in the hallway, which of course is extremely dangerous
0:03:08 – 0:03:18 is. But what I would like to focus on now, in the end, has to do with the
0:03:18 – 0:03:25 Reactions to such actions. First of all, I would like to say that all
0:03:25 – 0:03:39 Hate and crime and even if it is pizza order, which is really a mess, I totally up to the point
0:03:39 – 0:03:48 The deepest condemnation. And if you have experienced it yourself, and I know some people who have experienced it themselves.
0:03:48 – 0:03:54 have experienced, even swatting operations, then this is something very dramatic and it constitutes a criminal offense
0:03:54 – 0:04:01 It also has an effect on oneself. So I know content creators who have been around ever since.
0:04:01 – 0:04:10 They no longer went live. But now we come. Why do you do that? So,
0:04:10 – 0:04:17 it is not about tyrannizing the other and sending them to the police outside the door or
0:04:17 – 0:04:22 stop annoying pizza suppliers, with whom you have to discuss for hours,
0:04:22 – 0:04:28 They didn't order pizza. It's just a demonstration of power. It is about:
0:04:28 – 0:04:35 I know where you live, I have your address. For someone in Germany who is almost a business
0:04:35 – 0:04:43 You've got to dox yourself. You must have an imprint and if you do not have an imprint service
0:04:43 – 0:04:47 You have to have an address in there that's chargeable. That means you can't have one
0:04:47 – 0:04:54 mailbox, mailbox or something, but at this address must be someone who, if necessary,
0:04:54 – 0:05:00 if it is entitled to accept mail and to confirm this with a signature.
0:05:00 – 0:05:07 If you have a trade and you have different, there are different legal forms, such as
0:05:07 – 0:05:16 can run a company, among other things, in publicly visible places and
0:05:16 – 0:05:21 Tenders, publications called your name.
0:05:21 – 0:05:27 So there are these communications, commercial register, entry, expression, such things.
0:05:27 – 0:05:34 Your name and, if applicable, your address will be leaked by the state.
0:05:34 – 0:05:40 You have to imagine that. And everyone can see that. This is publicly visible.
0:05:40 – 0:05:48 The same goes for filing for insolvency. This is all publicly viewable with a most private address.
0:05:48 – 0:05:53 This would also have to change, that only people with a certain authority
0:05:53 – 0:06:04 Have access to the full dataset. Long speech, short sense, these people demonstrate
0:06:04 – 0:06:12 so that their power may show you that they know where you live. And that is not the
0:06:12 – 0:06:19 The only reason. They're hoping you'll react. And the dumbest, the dumbest,
0:06:19 – 0:06:28 What you can do is to openly communicate that offenses, pizza orders and etc.
0:06:28 – 0:06:36 You are complaining about how bad this is and what a crime it is.
0:06:36 – 0:06:44 How stupid that is. This is the real currency of a hater. We are also accused,
0:06:44 – 0:06:53 That we are haters of Frank Battermann. No, we are critics. We criticize his actions,
0:06:53 – 0:07:00 question and as he likes to use the phrase, one may well ask this question,
0:07:00 – 0:07:07 Let us also ask ourselves why he acts as he does, why his appearance is so,
0:07:07 – 0:07:18 as it is. We are questioning something, you can probably ask this question and we are not insulting.
0:07:18 – 0:07:26 We don't make fun of it either, we look at his stuff,
0:07:26 – 0:07:33 comment on it, that would be at best a reaction to it, and we arrange and give
0:07:33 – 0:07:40 We also give our opinion on a lot of things. That's a huge difference from someone else's.
0:07:40 – 0:07:48 simply wants to harm busily with insults, with any actions, with pictures that you
0:07:48 – 0:07:56 made. Pictures about me have already been produced and published. So,
0:07:56 – 0:08:02 When I put my face on the internet or put my voice on the internet, I have to use it.
0:08:02 – 0:08:08 expect such a thing to happen. Especially if you go there and especially
0:08:08 – 0:08:15 Controversial, I have to reckon with the fact that people deal with it. But it's coming
0:08:15 – 0:08:27 It always depends on whether I go now and mean something satirical, sarcastic, ironic,
0:08:27 – 0:08:34 to perhaps nudge someone with the tip of their nose, as in Carnival, that
0:08:34 – 0:08:39 something isn't right and what's wrong, or if I'm just mishandling and
0:08:39 – 0:08:45 Just make fun of the other one. It's often a game of reaction and
0:08:45 – 0:08:51 Action. And that's where we are. If I go now and I roar like a dragon lord,
0:08:51 – 0:09:00 a pure winkler and "Now you've got the poop steaming up, that was too much" and so on, then
0:09:00 – 0:09:08 For the haters who have triggered this action, there is literally a direction …
0:09:08 – 0:09:16 Orgasm. They have an outlet and that's not in the deciliter range, but in the hectolitre range.
0:09:16 – 0:09:28 They then have a really creamy, peary finish. Yes, so that you are so in this
0:09:28 – 0:09:35 Livestream just excited about how certain haterbubbles commit crimes,
0:09:35 – 0:09:43 is an indirect payment of these people, because they have this kind of attention
0:09:43 – 0:09:48 Get the ones you wanted. Like I said, I know enough people that this has happened to themselves,
0:09:48 – 0:09:57 And that is, and they have communicated that only in their closest circle. Why does it hang
0:09:57 – 0:10:03 A big YouTuber, a big Twitch livestreamer, if not because of
0:10:03 – 0:10:08 It's a live stream, so viewers can watch it. Not to the big one,
0:10:08 – 0:10:17 What is the name of the word now, to the great thingbums? Why is this not made public,
0:10:17 – 0:10:26 Publicity? Because you don't want them to get that pay. I can still remember
0:10:26 – 0:10:35 Remind me. I've been around for a few years, since there have been many incidents in my circle of acquaintances,
0:10:35 – 0:10:45 with spotting inserts, in a few hater groups around the dragon lord inside, just to give me this
0:10:45 – 0:10:51 to look at. And even if people think he is no longer thematized today, pustekuchen,
0:10:51 – 0:10:58 These bubbles are highly active and they still visit him today. In any case, I have
0:10:58 – 0:11:03 I looked at that. If they have made an action, if they have chosen someone,
0:11:03 – 0:11:10 which they now harass, so in the simplest case send pizza, then it is waited for,
0:11:10 – 0:11:15 That there is a reaction. And it has also been asked several times, well there are already
0:11:15 – 0:11:21 reaction to pizza delivery and so on. I've seen them live sometimes when someone
0:11:21 – 0:11:28 Livestream was how you dated then, oh that one looks hungry. Thus, the
0:11:28 – 0:11:34 I like the idea of going there and ordering pizza. You have to be
0:11:34 – 0:11:43 introduce, in these bubbles there are tools that automate orders at referral sales
0:11:43 – 0:11:52 with factual data. This is now automated. I mean, there's everywhere
0:11:52 – 0:11:57 There are people who are familiar with IT, computer science and so on. That's what there is
0:11:57 – 0:12:07 everywhere. Sure, there's that in those bubbles, too. Well, what can I say about that? The
0:12:07 – 0:12:10 Some people use it for it, others use it for it.
0:12:10 – 0:12:14 But as I said, let's get back to the point.
0:12:14 – 0:12:21 I am not allowed to hang it on the big nail and especially not on the Internet.
0:12:21 – 0:12:25 It's bad enough when a newspaper already reports that some full-fledged
0:12:25 – 0:12:27 Stroller infected in the hallway.
0:12:27 – 0:12:37 that this is a crime that can have consequences without end, because black smoke,
0:12:37 – 0:12:41 Smoke poisoning and so on. We don't need to talk about it that way,
0:12:41 – 0:12:49 that something like this can go deadly without the stall burning down, but I can't
0:12:49 – 0:12:56 communicate on the Internet, because then it comes to these bubbles. And so controversial
0:12:56 – 0:13:04 Like Maren is and people are watching Maren and the people she interviews with and so on.
0:13:04 – 0:13:11 If it comes to light that you have complained about it and it is itself another
0:13:11 – 0:13:18 Pay when it's months after because you're upset about it. people,
0:13:18 – 0:13:22 ask yourself why all these police operations, which are not known,
0:13:22 – 0:13:31 not be communicated, not because they do not take place, no because it does not communicate
0:13:31 – 0:13:40 They don't want to pay the haters. We're all talking about it, there's this on the internet.
0:13:40 – 0:13:51 Attention economy, the monetization of attention. Yes, but there is also in the
0:13:51 – 0:14:00 the real world. Because when I go to a concert, I pay to watch it.
0:14:00 – 0:14:08 I know it all depends a bit now, but in the end it's pretty much. Me as someone
0:14:08 – 0:14:14 Deliver something and the other pays for it, whether it's over-promotion or whether it's a ticket directly
0:14:14 – 0:14:21 buy. In the end, I give a certain amount of time, the other gave me his time and
0:14:21 – 0:14:27 There's money for that. And the same goes for the haters, except that they
0:14:27 – 0:14:34 Currency is just attention. If I don't pay attention to the haters, and
0:14:34 – 0:14:42 The best tip if you have a hater is not to mention that there are some. Is there
0:14:42 – 0:14:51 Don't mention them. If I don't get e-mails, messages and etc. mentioned and just
0:14:51 – 0:14:57 Keep going. You could also say that this is the best thing you can do with critics.
0:14:57 – 0:15:05 Sure, the stupid is only, a critic does not lose interest, but a hater loses
0:15:05 – 0:15:11 After a while, the interest, because you do not deliver what they need. A critic
0:15:11 – 0:15:17 He will continue to work on you because he has something to criticize. Even if they like to
0:15:17 – 0:15:27 the bubble around the dragon lord aka Rainer Winkler likes to call himself a critic, it is in the
0:15:27 – 0:15:34 Basically, it's all just haters. A lot of people just watch the game and
0:15:34 – 0:15:40 They are happy when the little dragon lord dances in circles again. I know this is a
0:15:40 – 0:15:46 This is a controversial topic and especially in relation to the fact that we are critical of the contents of Mr.
0:15:46 – 0:15:57 Frank Butterman move and deal with us, could also say, yes you are haters and in the
0:15:57 – 0:16:04 Eyes of Frank Butterman, Maren Gierz and so on, we are also haters. It would not be for nothing
0:16:04 – 0:16:10 Also on various websites
0:16:10 – 0:16:12 Our name, in other words, our name for
0:16:12 – 0:16:14 the project on a blacklist
0:16:14 – 0:16:16 a page that you automatically
0:16:16 – 0:16:20 We have to block because we are such evil people.
0:16:20 – 0:16:24 People are. But we also don't have
0:16:24 – 0:16:28 Only critics, we also have haters. But this
0:16:28 – 0:16:30 We don't communicate and that's
0:16:30 – 0:16:33 The only intelligent thing you
0:16:30 – 0:16:36 can do. You can talk about something like that
0:16:36 – 0:16:38 Don't annoy me. Criticism can
0:16:38 – 0:16:41 Assume that you can resist criticism.
0:16:41 – 0:16:45 against arguing. You can go with one
0:16:45 – 0:16:46 Critics enter into a discourse and when
0:16:46 – 0:16:50 All this at a certain level
0:16:50 – 0:16:55 It can be enriching
0:16:55 – 0:16:58 or open-ended. With one
0:16:55 – 0:16:57 A hater, can't you?
0:16:57 – 0:17:06 A hater will always find something and if it's just a hair on the tip of his nose,
0:17:06 – 0:17:08 What he can work on.
0:17:08 – 0:17:13 Well, that's the big difference.
0:17:13 – 0:17:18 And as long as you feed a hater, he'll stay with you.
0:17:18 – 0:17:28 There used to be a good saying at the time of Newsnet, so a time relatively early in the beginning
0:17:28 – 0:17:36 The Internet was very active until about the middle of the 90s, at the end of the 90s. Then came the great
0:17:36 – 0:17:44 Time of the forums. But Newsnet was something similar to forums, but basically via the e-mail program.
0:17:44 – 0:17:54 programme. There was already the saying "Don't feed the troll", which translates to "You can't feed the troll".
0:17:54 – 0:18:01 Do not feed your trolls. And that's exactly what I said. Don't give these people
0:18:01 – 0:18:08 Pay attention and do not give them the satisfaction that you are aware of these crimes that these people are committing.
0:18:08 – 0:18:18 Makes you upset. I just found this so totally horny and super fitting and that was the first thought,
0:18:18 – 0:18:23 How I watched this livestream. I mean, apart from all the consecration over
0:18:23 – 0:18:29 the fantastic journalistic work of Frank Wattermann, how it went then,
0:18:29 – 0:18:37 It's about the part where it was about criticism and hate. And it was all in the collective term
0:18:37 – 0:18:45 "Hate" stuffed. Can it be that there is no criticism for this bubble and criticism always as
0:18:45 – 0:18:56 Is it a personal attack? In this case, I really feel sorry for these people because they have something.
0:18:56 – 0:19:02 What if you wrote a 5 yourself? Then the teacher has them.
0:19:02 – 0:19:10 Was it because there was a criticism of the performance? It's a good, bad comparison, the one.
0:19:10 – 0:19:18 is a quantifiable performance result. But if this is now such a written assessment
0:19:18 – 0:19:25 Was that all hate immediately, if it was somehow negative? I mean,
0:19:25 – 0:19:34 This allows us to look deeply into the personality structures of these actors. In addition, once again the
0:19:34 – 0:19:45 Presenter of Frank Butterman, Michael Smamm, rather fascinated. On the one hand, this extreme
0:19:45 – 0:19:54 eloquent way of expressing oneself and the ability to differentiate, it is complicated to
0:19:54 – 0:20:01 to permeate relationships. On the other hand, this total transfiguration towards Frank
0:20:01 – 0:20:09 Battermann and the non-recognition of all the contradictions that Frank Battermann has so
0:20:09 – 0:20:15 The day lays. Because she is also active on Instagram, she would have to follow his activities on Instagram.
0:20:15 – 0:20:22 Follow Instagram. And I know that the woman herself suffered a stroke of fate and
0:20:22 – 0:20:26 She spends a lot of time on the internet when she reveals herself.
0:20:26 – 0:20:33 Nevertheless, argumentative and so fantastic.
0:20:33 – 0:20:38 And she says herself, she doesn't want to appear face-to-face on the Internet, that they don't take place there
0:20:38 – 0:20:39 can.
0:20:39 – 0:20:45 And with a small check, she also sees that she can not be contacted.
0:20:45 – 0:20:47 And I think that's okay.
0:20:47 – 0:20:51 But it's a pity, because I would like to go into a discourse with her, because I'm sure,
0:20:51 – 0:21:02 That would be very interesting. But in order not to feed the evil haters or critics and
0:21:02 – 0:21:10 have no way of working on her because she is the moderator of the live streams,
0:21:10 – 0:21:15 It's not even that stupid. And the chain of argument was excellent.
0:21:15 – 0:21:22 The rest has failed quite a bit, because it was always, yes, these typical narratives,
0:21:22 – 0:21:30 These are all unemployed, these are all Asis, these are all people who have no content,
0:21:30 – 0:21:36 These are people who are all dissatisfied. Yes, that may be true to a large extent,
0:21:36 – 0:21:42 But we have learned from the observation that all people who
0:21:42 – 0:21:49 Criticism is immediately hateful. Well, that's difficult when such a huge
0:21:49 – 0:21:56 Crowds are all assis to break it down. Today, I don't have it yet.
0:21:56 – 0:22:02 Watched through the whole livestream, there is a continuation of this livestream, thematically
0:22:02 – 0:22:13 the same topic, it immediately meant that these people are somehow dissatisfied and
0:22:13 – 0:22:19 have an unhappy life and somehow have to watch that they
0:22:19 – 0:22:24 Do something meaningful. And the most interesting approach had been, that must be people,
0:22:24 – 0:22:35 the hater channel "Kernis Nachtcafé" - this is actually the livestream 1 and now the
0:22:35 – 0:22:43 Continued shooting and the reconnaissance video of Frank Battermann - this
0:22:43 – 0:22:48 People have to have a lot of time. Which people have a lot of time? These
0:22:48 – 0:22:53 The chain of reasoning has already fallen to our feet in the context of the Flatterman file.
0:22:53 – 0:23:04 People who are at home, people who are retired, people who are sick and so on. And
0:23:04 – 0:23:10 What are they living on? There is only one real thing these people can live on:
0:23:10 – 0:23:19 The support. And since I am one, this man said that he is a performer, who with my
0:23:19 – 0:23:24 You pay these people and you have to talk about it. That's fantastic,
0:23:24 – 0:23:32 This short-sightedness, this chain of reasoning. People who criticize or
0:23:32 – 0:23:39 Hate operate are immediately assis sitting at home and receiving citizen benefit or unemployment benefit 2
0:23:39 – 0:23:46 or basic security, depending on what you want to call it, Hartz 4. They are highly
0:23:46 – 0:23:53 antisocial and therefore you would have to see if you give them the performance at all. This is it,
0:23:53 – 0:23:58 What this thought process implies. And I can only say one thing from the experience,
0:23:58 – 0:24:06 observing from all these hater bubbles, such chains of argumentation arrive super and
0:24:06 – 0:24:09 They're just firing more fire.
0:24:09 – 0:24:19 And one can only hope that such statements will not be cast out of context and
0:24:19 – 0:24:21 in these hater bubbles.
0:24:21 – 0:24:26 Because then you really have the cockroaches steaming, because then they work on it.
0:24:26 – 0:24:31 You just have to imagine, calls to the employer are the least evil,
0:24:31 – 0:24:32 what you have then.
0:24:32 – 0:24:35 That's the way it is.
0:24:35 – 0:24:44 That is the experience. I've seen videos where people have almost asked for forgiveness from
0:24:44 – 0:24:51 Haters, because they dared to donate 50 cents to the Dragon Lord. I already have
0:24:51 – 0:25:01 experience that for 0.5 cents the value of a rose on TikTok people were publicly exposed as
0:25:01 – 0:25:08 Dragonlord supporters and you have fucked them almost the entire online life.
0:25:08 – 0:25:15 Sorry to say so. It's torn. Once you have an employer,
0:25:15 – 0:25:21 family members and so on, threatened or otherwise has, these people have
0:25:21 – 0:25:27 They made an apology video of what they had to send to them and the address. And what became
0:25:27 – 0:25:36 Of course, great celebrations in these groups. As a great denial of the Jämiger, the truth has
0:25:36 – 0:25:42 He recognized and has now decided on his trade. I have to keep in mind that it was about 0.5
0:25:42 – 0:25:52 Cent. There are some statements that generalize all haters, are antisocial, which are only citizen money
0:25:52 – 0:25:58 Hartz IV, etc. They are punished in a completely different way.
0:25:58 – 0:26:08 in these circles. And you don't want to go to such a level at first. Well, these are
0:26:08 – 0:26:15 Just my two cents on it. I would like to express myself once again about such actions.
0:26:15 – 0:26:21 I distance myself because I don't think that's okay in any way. And I absolutely
0:26:21 – 0:26:35 find it criminally acceptable if such a thing is prosecuted because of the attachment of rescue workers,
0:26:35 – 0:26:41 I'm a former paramedic, I know how much shit this is when you go for a little
0:26:41 – 0:26:47 Wood chips in the finger underneath must jiggle and stop quasi someone who has a stroke,
0:26:47 – 0:26:53 I have a heart attack and have to wait for it. Then all the pizza delivery services, all of which
0:26:53 – 0:27:02 be harmed. This is not just the finished product that can ultimately be disposed of. It
0:27:02 – 0:27:09 It's also about driving and stuff like that. There are also capacities tied up and so many other
0:27:09 – 0:27:17 Things. That's right, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a
0:27:17 – 0:27:24 I am myself. Absolutely. I just wanted to show how sick this bubble is and there
0:27:24 – 0:27:30 can a Maren or anyone else stand up and say with raised index fingers what you
0:27:30 – 0:27:37 It's not right, you're all haters. You're wondering what kind of shit this is.
0:27:37 – 0:27:44 Code Midas, as they say, can trigger. We know the story of King Midas.
0:27:44 – 0:27:49 Everything you touched turned to gold. In that case, everything you touch is
0:27:49 – 0:27:58 You're gonna shit. These people, that's a mass, they have so much manpower,
0:27:58 – 0:28:04 They can make your life hell. And as I said, there were a lot of hell videos,
0:28:04 – 0:28:11 which I have seen where men and women have wept, only that this faeces of Midas should cease.
0:28:11 – 0:28:21 Well, thank you for listening and wish you a nice day, evening, morning or even
0:28:21 – 0:28:26 It's noon. I don't know when you'll hear this. Goodbye, Sasha.
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Hate, swatting, doxxing, pizza orders, targeted intimidation – all these are not random escalations on the internet, but calculated demonstrations of power. In this episode, the divergence It's not about outrage, it's about mechanisms.

Based on current examples and my own observations, I analyze why haters do not react to content, but to attention. Why public complaints often deliver exactly what these people are looking for. And why the old internet principle ‘Don’t feed the troll’ is now more up-to-date than ever.

I clearly distinguish between criticism and hate, between discourse and targeted destruction. Why critics remain, even if they are contradicted – and why haters disappear if they are deprived of the currency. In addition, it is about the role of the public, imprint obligations, power gaps and the dangerous illusion that one can end escalation with volume.

A follow-up on attention economy, digital violence and the uncomfortable realization that sometimes silence is not a way of looking away – but self-protection.

🧩 Breakdown of topics

Classification of the topic
Why current cases of hate and intimidation are not an isolated case, but part of recurring patterns.

Criticism vs. hate
The fundamental difference between contentual confrontation and targeted destruction.

Hate as a demonstration of power
Why it's not about content, but about control, fear and visibility.

Attention as Currency
How reactions, outrage and public complaints indirectly reward haters.

Digital Violence and Real Consequences
Swatting, doxxing and harassment as crossing the line from the net to reality.

Why Silence is Sometimes Smart
Not out of cowardice, but as a conscious strategy against escalation.

The Old Internet Principle
‘Don’t feed the troll’ – why this sentence has not lost its relevance.

Final Thoughts
Self-protection, responsibility and the question of how public discourse can be conducted healthier.

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